Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
Hey, I think the led graphics need to be cropped a bit. We need to take 1 pixel row off from top & bottom, making the images 16 x 14 in size. You don't need to change the actual leds, just take away a bit of empty space. This is so that they can be aligned better with the title bars in group boxes

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS Top songs Compilation

2014-01-14 Thread John Serafino
Double check that date. It's actually February 15th, not January 15th. You've got plenty of time. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > I've just made my submission, however I'm not sure it midnight of 15th of > January is already gone is it still a day off? > I'd love to take

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

2014-01-14 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I am guessing that would be toby as he had to set permissions for me to change bug status on source forge. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Alexia, I think you wrote many wise things about the webpage. I don't know > yet who is the admin of the site, but I want to encour

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/15/2014 02:50 AM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Hmm. I think I still don't understand what "arbitrary" means well > enough ;) Arbitrary means "chosen at random, with no particular reason or logic". Since there's obviously a reason for the numbers being 0-127, they're not arbitrary. I think many pe

Re: [LMMS-devel] Feature: Piano Roll Key Press

2014-01-14 Thread Gurjot Singh
On 14 January 2014 22:57, Gurjot Singh wrote: >> Nope sorry, there's something messed up with the old master branch. Please >> make sure to rebase your work against stable-0.4 and send a pull request to >> the stable-0.4 branch > > Ok I sent a new pull request. Thanks for accepting the patch. :)

Re: [LMMS-devel] Native Linux VSTs

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I do the same thing - mixing in LMMS (using ZynAddSubFX parametric EQ with grid and curve display - great!) and mastering albums in Ardour2. 2014/1/15 John Serafino > While I wouldn't call it unusable, it sure is a pain. I am right with you > concerning the idea that LV2 support is very importa

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Hmm. I think I still don't understand what "arbitrary" means well enough ;) I know that MIDI uses 0..127 range for control messages, but that knowledge is not helping me pick the right frequency for a filter of time for a delay effect in here. 2014/1/15 Vesa > On 01/15/2014 01:00 AM, Tobiasz K

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS Top songs Compilation

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I've just made my submission, however I'm not sure it midnight of 15th of January is already gone is it still a day off? I'd love to take part - I just thought I have more time ;) Here's my input btw: https://soundcloud.com/unfa/spoken 2014/1/13 Johannes Lorenz > > The rules are in the group d

Re: [LMMS-devel] Native Linux VSTs

2014-01-14 Thread John Serafino
While I wouldn't call it unusable, it sure is a pain. I am right with you concerning the idea that LV2 support is very important and useful. I often use LV2s for mastering in Ardour2 after I've recorded from LMMS. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > 2014/1/14 John Serafino

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/15/2014 01:00 AM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Oh - I've seen this NTK change for Zyn some time ago, however to me > it's a bit harder to read than original. > > I think ZynAddSUbFX would need to change the numbers displayed from > arbitrary values like 0-127 Those aren't arbitrary at all, they're

Re: [LMMS-devel] Native Linux VSTs

2014-01-14 Thread John Serafino
Yes, I use my Oxygen61 with LMMS all the time. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Repost of my reply as i only sent it to Unfa > > it should be configurable to run with what ever back end the end user > wants. I might want jack you might want alas for example. Out of cur

Re: [LMMS-devel] Native Linux VSTs

2014-01-14 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Repost of my reply as i only sent it to Unfa it should be configurable to run with what ever back end the end user wants. I might want jack you might want alas for example. Out of curiosity does LMMS support connecting usb midi keyboards? On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote:

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Fine, now it's official ;) 2014/1/15 Chrissy McManus > > > OOOPS im the worst person at replying directly to the mailing list :) > > Anyway recap of Unfa's and my conversation below:- > > Hey, I think you might want to re-send this message to the list, as you've > replied just to me - or maybe

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] LSP replacement

2014-01-14 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I dunno I had volunteered to start on this a while back and got caught up in my studies but now I have the time to continue @toby can i get the django stuff. Is that in a repo in github? as I would like to start working on LSP2 again. I was thinking migrate all the existing content to the new lsp

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul

2014-01-14 Thread Chrissy McManus
OOOPS im the worst person at replying directly to the mailing list :) Anyway recap of Unfa's and my conversation below:- Hey, I think you might want to re-send this message to the list, as you've replied just to me - or maybe that intentional. I'm happy to see that the community really woke up

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] LSP replacement

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Maybe it'd be sufficient to run a LSP-modernisation project and fix what's broken there? Anyway - are you thinkng about porting old content to any new platform that might be chosen, or just leaving the old LSP as a read-only archive with a notice left for users to "go to another page" for uploading

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Oh - I've seen this NTK change for Zyn some time ago, however to me it's a bit harder to read than original. I think ZynAddSUbFX would need to change the numbers displayed from arbitrary values like 0-127 to some more sensible, context values like Hz, dB ms, %, cents et caetera. I'd prefer that do

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Chrissy McManus
> TAL for sure has better-looking GUI than Zyn, though ;) > This ins't totally true, google image search "zynaddsubfx ntk" and check the latest builds of ZASF as someone has patched ZASF to ue the ntk tooltkit instead of the FLTK toolkit we are familiar with.This could be another graphical

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 11:58 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Good point, Vesa - I forgot about the palette. It's fixed now: Ok good, the green looks better now. There may still be slight differences with the palette, but we can look it over when more of the graphics are done, and adjust them again later if nece

Re: [LMMS-devel] New UI

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Great idea! 2014/1/10 Jonathan Aquilina > I agree with you here. as well we give it the code name revolution. I put > something in the issue tracker about that hopefully toby will agree with me > on that :) > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Israel wrote: > >> I think with a new UI the ver

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Yes. I tried a version of 15x15 and I like the 16x16 better. The image itself is designed for 16x16 or multiplies so it looks better this way. 2014/1/14 Vesa > On 01/14/2014 08:56 PM, I'm Umcaruje wrote: > > I agree with Lucas. The LED's look wide, maybe square LED's might fit > > in better? Th

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Dan, saying things that sound to us like "switch to qtractor" in this list sounds at least not too polite. However, I got your message, so I might try looking at qtractor some time later, but now I'm focused on LMMS and dedicated to improve it, so spending time on any other piece of software that d

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 08:56 PM, I'm Umcaruje wrote: > I agree with Lucas. The LED's look wide, maybe square LED's might fit > in better? They look really neat on the FX mixer, but are space > consuming in the song editor. Actually now that I look at them again more thoroughly, I think it's just an optical

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I've spent *years* now *studying* *ZynAddSubFX*, so I know it pretty well. Looking at TAL Noizemaker quickly makes me want to say that you can't even compare these synths - however I might be greatly wrong. TAL's capabilities look to me more like Synth1 VST. Zyn is capable of making extremely compl

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 11:37 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > > Thank you, Vesa! > No problem, but can we address the concerns talked about here before I commit these on the repository... -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise C

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I like etrosound. On 12 Jan 2014 20:18, "oeai" wrote: > so this can be non -lmms abbr? > > LeMMingS is probably copyrighted > > LaMMerS - is something used as name and > > LeMusiqueMaeStro - le maestro de la musique > > Lammaestro - sounds better > > eLectroMusicMaSter -> etro || etrosound > > >

[LMMS-devel] Collecting anonymous statistical data

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
This idea comes back to me again: could LMMS gather some statistics if users agree to participate? What info and why? - LMMS version - operating system - screen resolution - audio back-end - instruments/plugins usage - feature usage (clicks on every UI element) - crashes per month - problem repor

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Alexia, I think you wrote many wise things about the webpage. I don't know yet who is the admin of the site, but I want to encourage you to find him and do what you wrote. On 12 Jan 2014 17:42, "Alexia Rose" wrote: > I suggest some editing of the Community page on SF. I believe that some > sectio

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Thank you, Vesa! On 14 Jan 2014 18:09, "Vesa" wrote: > On 01/14/2014 05:28 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > > I've made the new LEDs. > > At first I thought this is going to suck, but now - I'm proud. > > And I think that I'm ready to put this style on knobs or other UI > > elements. > > > > Somebody p

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 08:56 PM, I'm Umcaruje wrote: > I agree with Lucas. The LED's look wide, maybe square LED's might fit > in better? They look really neat on the FX mixer, but are space > consuming in the song editor. Is there a way of putting the song > editor LED's one under another? That's already

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread I'm Umcaruje
I agree with Lucas. The LED's look wide, maybe square LED's might fit in better? They look really neat on the FX mixer, but are space consuming in the song editor. Is there a way of putting the song editor LED's one under another? On 14 January 2014 19:34, Lukas W. wrote: > I think they look gr

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 08:34 PM, Lukas W. wrote: > I think they look great, but to be honest, due to their unusual shape > they unnecessarily use a lot of space, especially (looking at you're > screenshot) in the song-editor and in the filter window. > Are there any ways/plans to fix this? That's a valid c

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 07:46 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > > qtractor is free and open source software - I'm not selling anything. Regardless, talking about Qtractor is wildly off topic on an LMMS-devel mailing list. I know your intentions are probably good, but this is the wrong place for this discussion, an

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Lukas W.
I think they look great, but to be honest, due to their unusual shape they unnecessarily use a lot of space, especially (looking at you're screenshot) in the song-editor and in the filter window. Are there any ways/plans to fix this? 2014/1/14 Tobiasz Karoń : > I've made the new LEDs. > At first I

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Dan MacDonald
Hi Rob! There is absolutely no need to wipe your computer and install a new distro to get JACK running - its just easier for Linux noobs to start off with a distro designed and optimized for audio production / JACK etc. Thats why I mentioned it. JACK is easily installed via most distros repos with

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Rob Kudla
On 01/14/2014 12:13 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > Distros like KXStudio and AVLinux remove most > of the pain of getting JACK configured, should that be an issue. "Just wipe your computer and use a different distro so that you'll like my pet program more!" Yeah, I'll get right on that. > aware that

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 05:38 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > I'd like to take on the knobs and LED numerical displays now. Yep! For the main knobs (the basic ones: the small ones used in the instrument tracks, and the larger ones used in instrument/effect windows) I think they can be in much the style they are

Re: [LMMS-devel] Feature: Piano Roll Key Press

2014-01-14 Thread Gurjot Singh
On 14 January 2014 22:51, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > Nope sorry, there's something messed up with the old master branch. Please > make sure to rebase your work against stable-0.4 and send a pull request to > the stable-0.4 branch Ok I sent a new pull request. BTW how do I cancel the previous reques

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 07:09 PM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/14/2014 05:28 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: >> I've made the new LEDs. >> At first I thought this is going to suck, but now - I'm proud. >> And I think that I'm ready to put this style on knobs or other UI >> elements. >> >> Somebody please take care of these

Re: [LMMS-devel] Feature: Piano Roll Key Press

2014-01-14 Thread Tobias Doerffel
2014/1/14 Gurjot Singh > Did I really sent the pull request to the correct branch? :P > Nope sorry, there's something messed up with the old master branch. Please make sure to rebase your work against stable-0.4 and send a pull request to the stable-0.4 branch Toby -

Re: [LMMS-devel] Effects with multiple inputs/outputs

2014-01-14 Thread Tobias Doerffel
2014/1/13 Tobiasz Karoń > Is it possible to split the output and send it to more than one FX channel? > Currently you can't split it but send does work with an arbitrary number of FX channels - just try out the stable-0.4-new-fx-mixer branch, I just added a few fixes to make it more stable Toby

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Dan MacDonald
Yes, you can use Zyn from within qtractor either as an LV2 plugin or connect it externally via a session manager like NSM. I'd recommend the former. Have you ever tried TAL Noizemaker? I think its much better than Zyn, certainly UI wise there's no competition IMO! On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Dan MacDonald
Hi Rob! Aha! The eternal 'I don't like JACK' argument arises yet again! This is the most common complaint raised against Linux audio. The truth of the matter for most is that JACK is very useful to have around once you've got your head round it and most learn to love it pretty quickly - its very

Re: [LMMS-devel] UI graphical rehaul project

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 05:28 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > I've made the new LEDs. > At first I thought this is going to suck, but now - I'm proud. > And I think that I'm ready to put this style on knobs or other UI > elements. > > Somebody please take care of these files to put them where they belong. Thanks

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Dan MacDonald
Hi Tobiasz! qtractor has one of the best PDF manuals of any FLOSS program - I'd highly recommend you refer to that if you have problems working it out. Its linked on qtr's homepage. There are also a number of instructional vids on YouTube if that works better for you. Dan On Tue, Jan 14, 2014

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Thanks! However I'll probably be more focused on improving LMMS though ;) Is qtractor able to use ZynAddSubFX? 2014/1/14 Dan MacDonald > Hi Tobiasz! > > qtractor has one of the best PDF manuals of any FLOSS program - I'd highly > recommend you refer to that if you have problems working it out.

Re: [LMMS-devel] Feature: Piano Roll Key Press

2014-01-14 Thread Gurjot Singh
On 14 January 2014 21:30, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > > Very cool! :-) Yes, send a pull request and I'll have a look at it. > Sent the pull request. Did I really sent the pull request to the correct branch? :P -- Gurjot Singh Blog: http://bhattigurjot.wordpress.com -

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Rob Kudla
On 01/14/2014 05:45 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > seems most people on this list are Linux users so I don't understand why > they aren't already using qtractor, presuming they're aware of it? 1. I can build entire songs in LMMS project files, which I can then email to other people or backup safely wi

Re: [LMMS-devel] Feature: Piano Roll Key Press

2014-01-14 Thread Tobias Doerffel
2014/1/14 Gurjot Singh > I'm almost done with this patch. :) > Now the key presses are visible in the Piano Roll by all the three methods. > On the note of highlighting the row, I guess it is not really > necessary since our mouse when held on the note editor area highlights > the current row alr

[LMMS-devel] Please add SOLO buttons to FX mixer strips

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
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Re: [LMMS-devel] Native Linux VSTs

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
2014/1/14 John Serafino > LV2 is basically this, and I think the master unstable branch of LMMS had > some primitive LV2 support. Of course, it's possible to host LV2's in a > separate Linux application and MIDI-route between LMMS and the LV2 host. > I've done this, but I've never used it in a tr

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I've tried qtractor once years ago, but I couldn't easily figure out what does what - LMMS was much more intuitive and easy to learn for me (as a former Fruity Loops user). 2014/1/14 Dan MacDonald > Hi list! > > First, I want to say that I'm happy to see the renewed interest in LMMS' > developm

Re: [LMMS-devel] Refactor Engine: Real-Time safety

2014-01-14 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Question becomes is unison that Paul has been working on designed to do this? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Maybe this could allow us also to implement some live-looping features in > the future makinkg LMMS suitable for live act performance as well? > > > 2014/1/14 Ha

Re: [LMMS-devel] Refactor Engine: Real-Time safety

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Maybe this could allow us also to implement some live-looping features in the future makinkg LMMS suitable for live act performance as well? 2014/1/14 Harry van Haaren > Hey all, > > I'm excited to see new life in LMMS: and I'd like to help design the > refactor of the audio engine. > > It is v

Re: [LMMS-devel] FX-Mixer active FX channel

2014-01-14 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Now I see - you want to make the selected mixer strip highlighter in a more visible manner. I agree this would be really nice - as it's already implemented in a less-usable form, I guess it's not too much work to make this done. 2014/1/14 nsk > This is what I meant. > > > --

Re: [LMMS-devel] FX-Mixer active FX channel

2014-01-14 Thread Vesa
On 01/14/2014 01:35 PM, nsk wrote: > This is what I meant. That's probably something we can put on the to-do list for the UI project. -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesse

[LMMS-devel] Refactor Engine: Real-Time safety

2014-01-14 Thread Harry van Haaren
Hey all, I'm excited to see new life in LMMS: and I'd like to help design the refactor of the audio engine. It is very important for the LMMS project to become a Real-Time (RT) safe audio-application: random glitches / dropouts are caused if its not real-time safe. To start a constructive discus

[LMMS-devel] FX-Mixer active FX channel

2014-01-14 Thread nsk
This is what I meant. <>-- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. Get

Re: [LMMS-devel] Feature: Piano Roll Key Press

2014-01-14 Thread Gurjot Singh
On 12 January 2014 19:53, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > You don't have to take care of key press events anymore at all - everything > is in place already. In paintEvent() you have to retrieve the Piano model > instance via > > pattern->instrumentTrack()->pianoModel() > > and retrieve the current key st

Re: [LMMS-devel] Native Linux VSTs

2014-01-14 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
You have me wondering if there are features in there that are already implemented that would be good to have in LMMS that could somehow be merged. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > 2014/1/14 Jonathan Aquilina > >> What would it take to make native linux equivalent to v

[LMMS-devel] LMMS vs qtractor

2014-01-14 Thread Dan MacDonald
Hi list! First, I want to say that I'm happy to see the renewed interest in LMMS' development, I wish it the best and I look forward to seeing it improve. However, after reading many of the recent posts on this list I get the distinct impression that many people on this list either don't know abou

Re: [LMMS-devel] Native Linux VSTs

2014-01-14 Thread Tobias Doerffel
2014/1/14 Jonathan Aquilina > What would it take to make native linux equivalent to vst's that would > really set LMMS apart from the competition > Except for the old problem with the proprietary VST SDK it should be no problem to make use of for example Qtractor's VST support code. Toby --