[LMMS-devel] Rethink time signature: instead of one global time sig, have a time sig for each pattern

2014-03-04 Thread Nikko Rocksalot
As a user I would LOVE this. I have transitions to differing time signatures and have had to plot it all out to being divisible into the song's main signature. This hampers writing for sure. On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Vesa wrote:Beware, long post ahead! I just want to thro

[LMMS-devel] Rethink time signature: instead of one global time sig, have a time sig for each pattern

2014-03-04 Thread Vesa
Beware, long post ahead! I just want to throw this idea out there, raise some discussion maybe: Is the current implementation of time signature really purposeful? It doesn't allow the use of different time signatures in a song very conveniently: you basically have to find a time signature that "m

[LMMS-devel] The great bughunt

2014-03-04 Thread Vesa
Ok, I'm not very good at motivational speeches but, if no one else is going to do it I guess I'll have to... So, we've set an ambitious goal to finally get 1.0.0. released in two weeks time. I've attempted to bring the milestones up to date and it seems that currently, we have 11 unresolved issues

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Israel
On 03/04/2014 09:58 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Not even providing a notification and link to where to download the new version's installer? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Vesa > wrote: On 03/04/2014 04:10 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > Online updater are a ni

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
I would be a fan of providing something like this on our downloads section. The way launchpad displays this (scrolling way down, clicking the triangle, clicking the version) sort of hides it away. Is anyone aware if launchpad has a way to embed this information onto our own page? If not, can we

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Vesa
On 03/04/2014 05:58 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Not even providing a notification and link to where to download the > new version's installer? > I don't like the idea. On Linux it's entirely pointless, and even on windows it probably just amounts to an annoyance - no one likes popups. People wh

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Vesa
On 03/04/2014 06:04 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > > In Linux we already have that, it's called the package manager > > > It's been a while since I installed LMMS from an official mirror, but > last I remember it is very outdated. To Jonathan's point, if were > were to provide updates to these

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
It would be great to get LMMS onto mac that is for sure. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > That is where Mac excels IMHO. Just drag the app into applications and >> that is that. Can have all the versions you want installed side by side. >> > > Yes. There was a technol

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On linux the debs can go into a ppa on launchpad and then they are automatically updated on the systems of people who use the ppa On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > > In Linux we already have that, it's called the package manager >> > > It's been a while since I installed

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> In Linux we already have that, it's called the package manager > It's been a while since I installed LMMS from an official mirror, but last I remember it is very outdated. To Jonathan's point, if were were to provide updates to these users, is it at the mercy of Ubuntu? Would we be better off

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Not even providing a notification and link to where to download the new version's installer? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Vesa wrote: > On 03/04/2014 04:10 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > > Online updater are a nice to have, but probably not worth the effort, > > would you agree? > > > > In Li

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Vesa
On 03/04/2014 04:10 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > Online updater are a nice to have, but probably not worth the effort, > would you agree? > In Linux we already have that, it's called the package manager, and in Windows it's not worth the effort. --

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
Yes, I'm well aware of bootstrap. It's taking the internet by storm. I generally fall back on jQuery and am recently evaluating jQuery-UI. Here's a nice stackoverflow comparison between jQuery and Boostrap: >- jQuery UI is fallback safe, it works correctly and looks good in old >brows

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > That is where Mac excels IMHO. Just drag the app into applications and > that is that. Can have all the versions you want installed side by side. > Yes. There was a technology called "Click-And-Run" created by Lindows/Linspire rumored to make it to Ubuntu which would have offered this type of

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
If you look on Google for bootstrap WordPress you will find a number of plugins On 4 Mar 2014 15:41, "Tres Finocchiaro" wrote: > Perhaps. I'm using one called Skeleton and it has worked very well: > > http://themes.simplethemes.com/skeleton/ > > -Tres > > - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com > > > On Tu

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
That is where Mac excels IMHO. Just drag the app into applications and that is that. Can have all the versions you want installed side by side. Would it be possible to have multiple versions installed for testing purposes On 4 Mar 2014 15:33, "Tres Finocchiaro" wrote: > Can one install multiple

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
Perhaps. I'm using one called Skeleton and it has worked very well: http://themes.simplethemes.com/skeleton/ -Tres - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > What I am noticing is the free themes are super poorly coded and not of a > responsive de

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
What I am noticing is the free themes are super poorly coded and not of a responsive design On 4 Mar 2014 15:29, "Tres Finocchiaro" wrote: > > With the bootstrap plugins I have found you build your theme for WordPress >> from the ground up. >> > I would advocate we don't build anything from the g

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > Can one install multiple releases? I think as well the installer should > ask if you want to do a side by side install or remove the old version > I think this depends on your OS, but generally speaking, taking the default installation approach, files will be overridden. >From a Windows perspe

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> With the bootstrap plugins I have found you build your theme for WordPress > from the ground up. > I would advocate we don't build anything from the ground-up if we're using a CMS, except for the LSP2, which if done properly would be written as a plugin module using proper CMS techniques. If the

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
With the bootstrap plugins I have found you build your theme for WordPress from the ground up. Another reason for wanting to use WordPress is that those that don't know how to code websites can help maintain it. On 4 Mar 2014 15:13, "Tres Finocchiaro" wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:09 AM,

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Very valid points. I like going the route of libreoffice and virtual box. Libre office provides an icon which opens a dialogue box saying hey here is a new version that can be downloaded and ass well provides a link to the download. Can one install multiple releases? I think as well the installer

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Jonathan Aquilina > I can code from scratch as well. I'm thinking that we can leverage the > blogging features to allow user feedback of what they like etc. > I'm a bit confused by this comment... You mention coding from scratch and then leveraging CMS features...

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
I thought you were going in this direction... :) I see this a lot for application like Chrome or Firefox, but they usually don't work on Linux due to properly implemented security on the installation location (Windows has improved on this over the years, but it's still rubbish). Software like Gim

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I can code from scratch as well. I'm thinking that we can leverage the blogging features to allow user feedback of what they like etc. On 4 Mar 2014 15:00, "Tres Finocchiaro" wrote: > > Tres I am a bit confused here. Are you saying we should avoid wordpress, >> or use wordpress? >> >> You do know

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> Tres I am a bit confused here. Are you saying we should avoid wordpress, > or use wordpress? > > You do know you can embed the php directly into a page or integrate it > into ones theme. I am using a bootstrap framework which you code a > wordpress theme entirely from scratch. > If we choose to

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
The issue is that you need to download an installer each time. With an online mechanism one just says yes to update lmms it will auto download the installer to a temp location then removed after the updated installation is complete. On 4 Mar 2014 14:50, "Tres Finocchiaro" wrote: > We probably cou

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > We probably could release even more frequently especially if there is a > critical bug. But what worries me is we have no online type of update > mechanism > What do you mean by this? -- Subversion Kills Productivity. G

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
We probably could release even more frequently especially if there is a critical bug. But what worries me is we have no online type of update mechanism. On 4 Mar 2014 13:28, "Tobias Doerffel" wrote: > That is if you follow the development / stable branches principle. I > think we decided to not f

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Tobias Doerffel
That is if you follow the development / stable branches principle. I think we decided to not follow it and instead push out releases as often as possible. Even though we didn't manage it so far (probably because "1.0.0" is just something so important that we don't want to rush too much) I'm confide

Re: [LMMS-devel] Roadmap

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Ok I had a feeling I had a missing part of the puzzle, but here is some food for thought and the way Libreoffice operates. They create a new branch in our case 1.0.0. Then from there everything that is currently being set for 1.1.0 would be included in 1.0.1 up to 4 or 5 then the version number g

Re: [LMMS-devel] Webpage Mock-Up

2014-03-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Tres I am a bit confused here. Are you saying we should avoid wordpress, or use wordpress? You do know you can embed the php directly into a page or integrate it into ones theme. I am using a bootstrap framework which you code a wordpress theme entirely from scratch. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:4