RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-31 Thread mwomack
I just want to make it crystal clear that my opinion/rant is not an attempt to brow beat other committers into coding action. I said that I did not know about other circumstances and that I was not judging anyone, and I REALLY meant it. So, Ceki, don't feel you have to defend or apologize for any

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Howdy, >Yoav, I'm not that familiar with bugzilla. Does it allow you to assign >enhancements to individuals? How do you go about making the assignments >and such? Bugzilla is very easy to use. Even as a first time user I found it intuitive and forgiving. You can assign items to individuals, b

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread RBair
>As an aside: one way to encourage submissions and ensure they're not >dropped is to tell people to enter them as Enhancements in Bugzilla. >We've been doing that with some of the jakarta-commons projects I'm >contributing to, and it works well. I like this idea. The active developers of log4j c

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread Shapira, Yoav
tributing to, and it works well. Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:16 AM >To: Log4J Developers List >Subject: RE: logging.apache.org > > >I figure now m

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread Lutz Michael
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:07 AM To: Log4J Developers List Subject: RE: logging.apache.org Sorry for the tardiness of my reply. I have been pulling some long hours at work and did not want to send a shoddy repl

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread RBair
Hello, No question Ceki but that getting the book finished is important, and no doubt a lot of work. Thanks, Richard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Thank you for sharing your opinion. I recognize that log4j-dev has not been very responsive of late. The complete log4j manual was finalized just yesterday. My focus will thus change from documentation to development. Expect significant improvements in the coming weeks. Regards, At 04:16 30.01.2

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread RBair
I figure now might be a good time to throw in my two cents (in review, it looks more like 25 cents ;-). I'm one of those developers that's out here on the mailing list silently reading all the posts etc. I have to agree with Mark on several of the points he made here. Within the past couple of

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 23:06 29.01.2003 -0800, you wrote: > Being a niche product, log4j cannot never attract hordes of > developers. Tomcat, JBoss can. Log4j cannot. Log4j does not cover an > area wide enough to keep everyone busy and interested. However, open > source still works in the case of log4j albeit differe

Re: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread Ceki Gülcü
The idea of log4j writing on java.util.logging occurred to me but not the other way around that you suggested. It makes a lot of sense. At 16:08 30.01.2003 +0800, you wrote: Just for the record; There are hordes of silent admirers of the Log4J project/product, and the relative silence on log4j-

Re: logging.apache.org

2003-01-30 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Just for the record; There are hordes of silent admirers of the Log4J project/product, and the relative silence on log4j-dev is a good sign, I think. It has what people require, and few requests for new features can be imagined. An interesting "new feature" (perhaps) would be to look at "How c

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-29 Thread mwomack
Sorry for the tardiness of my reply. I have been pulling some long hours at work and did not want to send a shoddy reply. > I hear you. Now, bear in mind that log4j is competing against JDK 1.4 > logging which offers similar functionality, at least at the surface. > We can take pride in having in

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-27 Thread Mark Womack
The wiki page is located at: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?Log4JProjectPages/LoggingApache Org -Mark > -Original Message- > From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:00 AM > To: Log4J Developers List &

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-27 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Howdy, I wanted to chime in with a few things. 0. I think logging.apache.org is a great idea. I see xml.apache.org as the template of sorts, and I think that site is great. 1. What about commons-logging? Shouldn't it be included in logging.apache.org? Or is the *sole* goal of logging.apache.or

Re: Fwd: RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
> From: Nicko Cadell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > 2) Is everyone comfortable with assigning copyright to the Apache > > Software foundation? > > log4net as a port of log4j is already licensed under the Apache licence 1.1 > so this should not be an issue. I am assuming that the copyright material we >

Fwd: RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Nicko's response. Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Nicko Cadell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Ceki Gülcü' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: logging.apache.org Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:47:53 - X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Ceki, > Do I have y

Fwd: Re: logging.apache.org

2003-01-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Mike Schilli's response, forwarded with permission. Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:07:58 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ceki Gülcü), [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: logging.apache.org X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 In a message dated 1/24/2003

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 22:28 26.01.2003 -0800, you wrote: As it stands right now, log4j does not have enough active committers. We have a number of committers listed, but not very many of them are actively working to address issues, add features, fix bugs, etc. I don't know the reasons, and I am not going to jud

RE: logging.apache.org

2003-01-26 Thread mwomack
I would like to see this happen. I agree that inter-operability between platforms/languages would be a wonderful feature. It would blow the socks off of other logging mechanisms. However, I do have a concern. As it stands right now, log4j does not have enough active committers. We have a numb