Re: Jdk 1.3 fails, lets upgrade to jdk 1.4. && Maintenance

2012-03-15 Thread Ralph Goers
I'm indifferent on this issue except I really don't think much time should be invested in Log4j 1.x and, of course, I would like to see most of the energy focused on 2.0. While minor issues can and should be addressed, I would like to have an alpha release of Log4j2 as soon as the build and web

Re: Jdk 1.3 fails, lets upgrade to jdk 1.4. && Maintenance

2012-03-15 Thread Tushar Kapila
+1 Love to see new log 4j with java 1.4 or 1.5 is fine. We do bank apps (3d secure) but good automated and human testing gave us confidence to use java 6. Even fixed a socket issue we had with 4 and 5. I know of our bank customers in India use 1.5 too. And for laggers can do smaller fixes. On 2012

Re: Jdk 1.3 fails, lets upgrade to jdk 1.4. && Maintenance

2012-03-15 Thread Jacob Kjome
I'll +1 the move to 1.4, if that's what's deemed necessary.  I accept your arguments that the advantages of moving to Java 1.4 are significant enough to be worth it while maintaining compatibility with older environments that are, most likely, at least Java 1.4 these days.  And Java 1.3 users

Re: Jdk 1.3 fails, lets upgrade to jdk 1.4. && Maintenance

2012-03-15 Thread Gary Gregory
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Jacob Kjome wrote: > > Extract LF5 and chainsaw 1.x from log4j.jar and release them as separate > > jars, thus removing bloat from the Log4j library. They are not > libraries, > > but desktop tools, an

Re: Jdk 1.3 fails, lets upgrade to jdk 1.4. && Maintenance

2012-03-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Jacob Kjome wrote: > Extract LF5 and chainsaw 1.x from log4j.jar and release them as separate > jars, thus removing bloat from the Log4j library.  They are not libraries, > but desktop tools, and can depend on the absolute latest version of Java for > all I care.

Re: Jdk 1.3 fails, lets upgrade to jdk 1.4. && Maintenance

2012-03-15 Thread Jacob Kjome
My $0.02... Extract LF5 and chainsaw 1.x from log4j.jar and release them as separate jars, thus removing bloat from the Log4j library.  They are not libraries, but desktop tools, and can depend on the absolute latest version of Java for all I care. Log4j proper, the logging library, on the

Re: Lack of Category.error(Throwable t)

2012-03-15 Thread Scott Deboy
I don't think you can really do this because of ambiguity. Scott On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: If I understand you right, your suggestion is

Re: Lack of Category.error(Throwable t)

2012-03-15 Thread Jacob Kjome
I'm not sure this is worth doing?  One issue I can think of breaking compatibility with the SLF4J API (and possibly commons-logging).  I realize it's not the Apache Logging Project's responsibility to maintain compatibility with SLF4J, but I'm not sure it's worth doing at this late juncture fo

Re: Lack of Category.error(Throwable t)

2012-03-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> >> Question: how important is 100% bc for 1.2.x line? My assumption is: >> very much... but well, as mentioned, I am not really opposed - just >> careful > > > As long as I can do a couple of search and replaces, BC is not that > important to

Re: Lack of Category.error(Throwable t)

2012-03-15 Thread Gary Gregory
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Christian Grobmeier < > grobme...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> If I understand you right, your suggestion is to add: > >> error(Throwable t)

Re: Lack of Category.error(Throwable t)

2012-03-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: >> >> If I understand you right, your suggestion is to add: >> error(Throwable t) >> I don't see a reason why this cannot happen... >> We just should not remove methods to keep bc

Re: Lack of Category.error(Throwable t)

2012-03-15 Thread Gary Gregory
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > If I understand you right, your suggestion is to add: > error(Throwable t) > I don't see a reason why this cannot happen... > We just should not remove methods to keep bc, but adding should not be a > problem > For 1.4? :) Gary > >

Re: Jdk 1.3 fails, lets upgrade to jdk 1.4. && Maintenance

2012-03-15 Thread Scott Deboy
I think advertising 1.4 or higher is fine. FYI I ported trunk and extras to PBP (basically 1.4) with a few changes. Scott On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Fellows, Gary Gregory, our mate over from Commons-Land (et al) has created a new feature: https://issues.

Re: Lack of Category.error(Throwable t)

2012-03-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
If I understand you right, your suggestion is to add: error(Throwable t) I don't see a reason why this cannot happen... We just should not remove methods to keep bc, but adding should not be a problem Cheers! Christian On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Rich Midwinter wrote: > Hi > > > I note that

Jdk 1.3 fails, lets upgrade to jdk 1.4. && Maintenance

2012-03-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Fellows, Gary Gregory, our mate over from Commons-Land (et al) has created a new feature: https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=52913 I asked him if it would conform to jdk 1.3. He tested and said his change would, but there are errors on other components. Please see below. Basically