[lojban-beginners] cilre valsi -- learning words through use

http://stephen_pollei.home.comcast.net/lojban/cilre_valsi/ Using a list of cmavo and gismu in frequency order , I am attempting to use 8 words a day in example sentences. I will only do 5 days a week, taking Saturday and Sunday off. There are around 600 cmavo and 1350 gismu for around 2000 basic wo

[lojban-beginners] Learning x3 and beyond

How do you usually study the later places in gismu? I find it's usually pretty easy to remember the first few places with a keyword for the gismu and some practice, but x4 and x5 tend to be harder than. Any suggestions? mu'o mi'e .aleks.

[lojban-beginners] Re: Top posting and quoting ...

On Oct 29, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Jay F Kominek wrote: This has become inappropriate for this mailing list. I'm going to start moderating away emails on this topic if they don't have the decency to go away on their own. -- Jay Kominek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ki'e Jay I don't mind any particular sty

[lojban-beginners] Re: Top posting and quoting ...

On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 05:14:03PM -0400, John Daigle wrote: > Colin, you should consider the possibility that different email quoting > guidelines exist for different situations, and that all such rules are > totally arbitrary. Read the threads here... there is a huge mix of styles > and no one el

[lojban-beginners] Re: Top posting and quoting ...

On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 05:14:03PM -0400, John Daigle wrote: > Colin, you should consider the possibility that different email > quoting guidelines exist for different situations, No. Standards exist to facilitate actual communication, so people don't have to spend all their time dealing with ot

[lojban-beginners] Re: Top posting and quoting ...

Colin, you should consider the possibility that different email quoting guidelines exist for different situations, and that all such rules are totally arbitrary. Read the threads here... there is a huge mix of styles and no one else is complaining. You're just that much closer to being mentally kil

[lojban-beginners] Re: Boise locals

On 10/29/07, Robert LeChevalier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jared Angell wrote: > > My old records similarly show two people on our mailing list in > Boise, > > and one in Pocatello, but I haven't heard from any of them in over > 10 > > years. Hmm, one had an unusual name, and I see

[lojban-beginners] Re: Boise locals

Jared Angell wrote: My old records similarly show two people on our mailing list in Boise, and one in Pocatello, but I haven't heard from any of them in over 10 years. Hmm, one had an unusual name, and I see that he is probably now a professor at a university in Pittsburgh. Have

[lojban-beginners] Re: Boise locals

On 10/29/07, Robert LeChevalier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > turnip wrote: > >>= Original Message From "Jared Angell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > = > >>Anybody in the Gainesville, Florida area for that matter? > > > > > > No, proabbly only Loglanists down there, at the home of the Loglan > >

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

For this record I just want to say that I appreciate everyone's input into this topic as it's very enlightening for a beginner! Djared

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

Joel Shellman wrote: The difference between klama and litru seems subtle--is it that klama is focused on origin/destination whereas litru is more about the fact that one journeys? One specifically requires an origin and destination, the other does not. Most things that litru have an origin

[lojban-beginners] Re: Boise locals

turnip wrote: = Original Message From "Jared Angell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = Anybody in the Gainesville, Florida area for that matter? No, proabbly only Loglanists down there, at the home of the Loglan Institute. But then, you probably already knew that. Actually, we have had a few

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

On 10/29/07, Robert LeChevalier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For words on their own, yes. For modifiers in tanru, virtually anything > is allowed, and there remains considerable debate about modificands, if Ah, ok. That pretty much makes the rest of my comments in that post unuseful. Thanks! > A

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

On 10/30/07, Pierre Abbat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ({ganai ... gi} doesn't make much sense here) > > Hmm... would seni'igi ... gi have been better?

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

On Monday 29 October 2007 11:16, Penguino wrote: > ganai lo .alzaitu grasu cu se zbasu fi lo .alzaitu gi lo cifnu grasu cu se > zbasu fi ma ({ganai ... gi} doesn't make much sense here) lo ctile ku la'a .iku'i mi pilno da'i lo laksrxoxoba mu'omi'e .pier.

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

Joel Shellman wrote: On 10/29/07, Robert LeChevalier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Given the restriction of no unrelated meanings, the metaphoric intellectual giant I would expect is impossible in lojban--or perhaps what I mean is that it would not be metaphoric. Would you say "intellectual man-of

[lojban-beginners] Top posting and quoting ...

>> ... it would help if you could learn and apply proper >> email quoting etiquiette. Every time you top-post and >> fail to trim context (which combination seems to be your >> usual modus operandi) you push me closer to mentally >> killfiling you as someone who can't be bothered to put >> even m

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 10/27/07, Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > sumti: an argument in a sentence. > > > > I'm going to say "argument to a selbri in a bridi" as that can be > > stated without qualification, I assume. > > That's correct as a definition o

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

On 10/28/07, Jared Angell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I think it's hard for us to conceptualize sometimes that Lojban bridi > aare more like computer instructions or Logical expressions or mathematical > forumli than natlang statements. In terms of syntax, in terms of form, they are indeed s

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

Yes, I think it's hard for us to conceptualize sometimes that Lojban bridi aare more like computer instructions or Logical expressions or mathematical forumli than natlang statements. I personally find that to be the most charming aspect of Lojban, but it is the quintessential point of confusion i

[lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome

>= Original Message From "Jared Angell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = > >If a word such a geodesic dome requires this much debate then if the >language suddenly had 1,000,000 speakers how would anyone ever be able to >get anything across on a specific topic. [snip] >Being able to say 'geodesic do

[lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome

>= Original Message From "Jared Angell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >So 'rekyboldi'u' could be used to describe the class of all geodesic >domes...but now I have learned that the type of geodome i was referring to >is the specific type made of triangles (and what if I mean the type with >windows,

[lojban-beginners] Re: Boise locals

>= Original Message From "Jared Angell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Anybody in the Gainesville, Florida area for that matter? No, proabbly only Loglanists down there, at the home of the Loglan Institute. But then, you probably already knew that. > >On 10/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PR

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

ganai lo .alzaitu grasu cu se zbasu fi lo .alzaitu gi lo cifnu grasu cu se zbasu fi ma

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

On 10/29/07, Robert LeChevalier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Given the restriction of no unrelated meanings, the metaphoric > > intellectual giant I would expect is impossible in lojban--or perhaps > > what I mean is that it would not be metaphoric. Would you say > > "intellectual man-of-great-ph

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

On 10/29/07, Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > lion is the modifier, hunter is the modificand. The question was are > tanru strict in implying that the set must be a subset of the > *modificand*---so, hunter, in this case. Ah, you're right, sorry. Yes, the modificand is what dictates th

[lojban-beginners] on quoting...

Jared Angell wrote: > On 10/28/07, *der Mouse* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: >>And, on a completely different note, it would help if you could learn >>and apply proper email quoting etiquiette. Every time you top-post and >>fail to trim context (which combinat

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

On 10/29/07, Jorge Llambías <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/29/07, Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm curious... are tanru strict in implying that the set must > > be a subset of the modificand? > > Not at all. For example {cinfo kalte}, "lion hunter" does not imply > that the

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

Joel Shellman wrote: But we must now inquire more closely into the meaning of such phrases. If X is a short man, does this mean that he is short and a man? The "man" part restricts us to the set of all men. The "short" further restricts it only insofar as, there is a non-trivial set (which shou

[lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words

On 10/29/07, Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm curious... are tanru strict in implying that the set must > be a subset of the modificand? Not at all. For example {cinfo kalte}, "lion hunter" does not imply that the hunter must be a lion. It might be a person that hunts lions. This d

[lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome

Yes, I agree. You can use a fu'ivla or a tanru or even a quote {gy geodesic dome gy}. You don't need to define a lujvo for every concept. On 10/29/07, Isen hand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > <<"geodesic dome" is a concept that's used rarely in speech and in > writing. >> > > Isn't than then an a

[lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome

<<"geodesic dome" is a concept that's used rarely in speech and in writing. >> Isn’t than then an argument for just “Lojbanising” the word and then adding what it is in front. Something like: Tarmrgi,odysykdom (Shape geodesic dome)? - Original Message From: Yoav Nir <[EMAIL PROTEC