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> From: Jorge Llambías
> To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
> Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 3:00:54 PM
> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking!
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:44 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <>
> ymailto="m
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:44 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote:
>> From: Jorge Llambías
>
>> At some point, after CLL and LfB were
>> written, we decided that using "cmene" in English with this specialized
>> meaning was a bad idea, because "cmene" doesn't mean and never meant that in
>> Lojban.
>
> I under
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote:
>
> Of course all {cmevla} are {cmene}, but not all {cmene} are {cmevla}.
I would rather say all cmevla can be used as cmene, but not all cmene
need be or consist of cmevla.
Comparing cmevla and cmene is like comparing apples and desse
- Original Message
> From: Jorge Llambías
> To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
> Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 10:19:50 AM
> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking!
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM, A. PIEKARSKI <>
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My mistake.
But to clarify, my mistake was not caused by the LFB or CLL.
I assumed that, since {la mlatu} is a word used as a name, that it was
a {cmevla}, since a {cmene valsi} is a name-type-of-word, whereas
{.aionys.}, which is only a name, is merely a {cmene}.
Of course all {cmevla} are {cme
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote:
>
> No wonder everyone is confused! Exactly where are cmene and cmevla
> definitively defined?
Are you asking about the meanings of the Lojban words, or the meanings
of the English words borrowed from Lojban? The definitions in
jbovlaste seem
No,
> you got it completely reversed. cmevla refers to words than end in
> a
consonant, such as {aionys} and cmene refers to every word that is used as
> a
name (i.o.w. after {la}) such as in {la mlatu}.
Unfortunately lojban
> for beginners confuses the words somewhat.
Actually, neither "L
Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote:
> One thing I want to mention: {la} is not only for cmene. It is the gadri
> used for all cmevla. {la mlatu}, for instance, is a cmevla, whereas
> {la.aionys.} is a cmene.
No, you got it completely reversed. cmevla refers to words than end in a
consonant, such as {aiony
One thing I want to mention: {la} is not only for cmene. It is the gadri
used for all cmevla. {la mlatu}, for instance, is a cmevla, whereas
{la.aionys.} is a cmene.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Monday 08 February 2010 22:56:52 Stela Selckiku wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 8
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Stela Selckiku wrote:
lei:
It's best to think of the -i on the end separately from the e/o/a,
when it comes to this trio lei/loi/lai. In all three cases you have
the same semantics as le/lo/la, with the difference that you're
talking about a mass acting together instead of
On Monday 08 February 2010 22:56:52 Stela Selckiku wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser
> > xorlo:
>
> This, in spite of its appearance, is not a gismu. It is a strange
> English portmanteau of "xorxes" and "lo". I will use it in a
> sentence: "It is way waay easier to u
Ah I see. My mistake was in assuming that la and le were in the same
selma'o.
mu'omi'e latros.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:48 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote:
> but AIUI xorlo eschews all but "lo" for selma'o LE.
>
> stevo
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:47 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote:
>
>> I was very caref
but AIUI xorlo eschews all but "lo" for selma'o LE.
stevo
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:47 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote:
> I was very careful to exclude selma'o LA. Yes, "le" is still more specific
> than "lo", but AIUI
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Ian Johnson wrote:
>
>> I don't understand it
I was very careful to exclude selma'o LA. Yes, "le" is still more specific
than "lo", but AIUI
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Ian Johnson wrote:
> I don't understand it going quite THAT far. I'm pretty sure la is still
> normal for cmene, and le IS still more "specific" than lo, if that
> spec
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser
wrote:
> Alright. I am new to Lojban, but extremely interested in learning it. I am
> confused about several issues concerning xorlo (or gadri [i'm not sure
> which]).
You're not the only one. It's a confusing aspect of Lojban's history,
which w
I don't understand it going quite THAT far. I'm pretty sure la is still
normal for cmene, and le IS still more "specific" than lo, if that
specificity is wanted. Maybe not, though; I've only just recently started
learning about xorlo after previously using LfB's version of lo.
mu'omi'e latros.
On
As I understand xorlo, lo is for any and all instances of gadri from selma'o
LE, not just when one is unsure of which to use. In other words, it makes
all the other cmavo in LE obsolete.
stevo
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser <
synaptic.explos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thank you x
I do understand the plural concept, however I forgot to include mention in my
definitions.
Thank you so much xorxes.,
koltr.
From: Jorge Llambías
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 3:26:42 PM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser
wrote:
> Thank you xorxes. So, allow me to re-iterate:
>
> xorlo simply refers to the idea that in an instance where a lojbanist is
> unsure of the proper gadri to be utilized, the default is lo.
>
> gadri is the lojban equivalent of an English art
Thank you xorxes. So, allow me to re-iterate:
xorlo simply refers to the idea that in an instance where a lojbanist is unsure
of the proper gadri to be utilized, the default is lo.
gadri is the lojban equivalent of an English article (I do understand the
principle of malglico, however I'm using
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser
wrote:
> Alright. I am new to Lojban, but extremely interested in learning it. I am
> confused about several issues concerning xorlo (or gadri [i'm not sure
> which]).
It must be gadri. xorlo is so simple that it can't possibly confuse anyone. :)
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