2010/2/27 Jorge Llambías
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Luke Bergen
> wrote:
> > Ok, so, what you're describing, xorxes, is something different from the
> CLL
> > I think. I thought I always understood VA/ZI as sumtcita but I guess
> not.
> > The CLL version I understand to mean that {mi
Thanks for all the responses. I think I get it now. I guess I'd better get
to learning FAhA then :)
2010/2/28 Jorge Llambías
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Luke Bergen
> wrote:
> > I'm still confused by what "I eat
> > the apple an event of me sleeping ago" means. It doesn't read like a
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Luke Bergen wrote:
> I'm still confused by what "I eat
> the apple an event of me sleeping ago" means. It doesn't read like any
> english I've ever seen.
My wording was in Jboglish rather than in idiomatic English. I should
have written "ate" rather than "eat",
On Sunday 28 February 2010 00:59:25 Luke Bergen wrote:
> Yeah, I was trying to keep PU out of it since I believe you said that that
> DOES behave like it describes in the CLL. I'm still confused by what "I
> eat the apple an event of me sleeping ago" means. It doesn't read like any
> english I've
>You wouldn't normally use a ZI without a PU though
Yeah, I was trying to keep PU out of it since I believe you said that that
DOES behave like it describes in the CLL. I'm still confused by what "I eat
the apple an event of me sleeping ago" means. It doesn't read like any
english I've ever seen
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Ok, so, what you're describing, xorxes, is something different from the CLL
> I think. I thought I always understood VA/ZI as sumtcita but I guess not.
> The CLL version I understand to mean that {mi citka lo plise za lo nu mi
> sipna} means
Ok, so, what you're describing, xorxes, is something different from the CLL
I think. I thought I always understood VA/ZI as sumtcita but I guess not.
The CLL version I understand to mean that {mi citka lo plise za lo nu mi
sipna} means "I eat the apple a medium time distance from the event of me
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Sam Chapin wrote:
>
> Ah, I see. Under your scheme {va co'e} conveys the same meaning by a
> different mechanism - "something happens a moderate (but otherwise
> unspecified) distance from the speaker", rather than "something
> happens a moderate distance away fro
2010/2/25 Jorge Llambías :
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Sam Chapin wrote:
>> Minimiscience's view is the one described in chapter 10 of the online
>> draft reference grammar. Is this other reimagining of ZI and VA widely
>> used?
>
> I use it a lot, and I have seen others use it. I think it
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Sam Chapin wrote:
> Minimiscience's view is the one described in chapter 10 of the online
> draft reference grammar. Is this other reimagining of ZI and VA widely
> used?
I use it a lot, and I have seen others use it. I think it is used more
than the CLL version,
Minimiscience's view is the one described in chapter 10 of the online
draft reference grammar. Is this other reimagining of ZI and VA widely
used? It breaks the { broda} == { ku broda} identity that
holds for everything else.
Don't termsets solve the problem of asking for a magnitude? e.g.
{PU/FAh
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Luke Bergen wrote:
> I'm confused, I always believed ZI/VA to express where/when the bridi is
> happening in relation to the following sumti.
That's what PU/FAhA are for.
> e.g. {mi pu citka vi lo
> xamsi} "I ate near the ocean" (who cares where that ocean is in
I'm confused, I always believed ZI/VA to express where/when the bridi is
happening in relation to the following sumti. e.g. {mi pu citka vi lo
xamsi} "I ate near the ocean" (who cares where that ocean is in relation to
where we are now). How would you say that if {vi} marks how far away from
the
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Minimiscience wrote:
>
> Really? I thought "{zi ma}" meant "a short time from what?" by analogy to
> "{vi
> ma}."
There are two different views on that. I prefer to use ZI/VA to tag
the magnitude of displacement from the origin (they are after all
magnitude of d
de'i li 25 pi'e 02 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Jorge Llambías .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.
> "zi ma" asks "how long ago?"/"how long from now?", with the assumption
> that it will be a short time ago/from now.
.skamyxatra
Really? I thought "{zi ma}" meant "a short time from what?" by analogy to "{vi
ma}."
m
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Luke Bergen wrote:
> would {zi ma do co'a sipna ca lo prulamcte } also be valid?
"zi ma" asks "how long ago?"/"how long from now?", with the assumption
that it will be a short time ago/from now.
> In general how do multiple tense markers work in a bridi? Is it l
would {zi ma do co'a sipna ca lo prulamcte } also be valid?
In general how do multiple tense markers work in a bridi? Is it legitimate
to say {mi klama lo zarci ca lo cabnanca ca lo cabjeftu ca lo cabdei }?
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Ian Johnson wrote:
> 2010/2/25 Jorge Llambías :
> > On
2010/2/25 Jorge Llambías :
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Ian Johnson wrote:
>> I tried translating "When did you go to sleep last night?" I know
>> about {sumti tcita} for this (ti'u), but I'm not sure if you can use
>> them to fill 3 of tcika's places instead of just 2, so I did:
>> ma lenu
Hmm...somehow it seems like using two {sumti tcita} derived from the
same {gismu} is kinda doing it wrong, to me. I think you probably
COULD use ti'u and teti'u, but it seems like that would be a clunky
way to do it.
mu'omi'e latros.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Oren wrote:
> oh, could this
I don't think "do sipna" as an event/state can really have a specific
time; an interval, perhaps, but I don't think this is how {tcika}
operates. Also, the {lo nu} definitely needs a {kei} if you do it get
way; this is why I put it in front of {tcika}, so I could use {cu}
instead of having to use {
oh, could this use { teti'u } ?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 00:12, Oren wrote:
> I'll piggy back this fanva cpedu
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 23:58, Ian Johnson wrote:
>> ma lenu do pu co'a sipna cu tcika le prulamcte (be le cabdei)
>
> .i mi troci
>
> { .i ma tcika lo nu do sipna lo prulamcte }
>
>
I'll piggy back this fanva cpedu
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 23:58, Ian Johnson wrote:
> ma lenu do pu co'a sipna cu tcika le prulamcte (be le cabdei)
.i mi troci
{ .i ma tcika lo nu do sipna lo prulamcte }
.i drani xu
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