[lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe

2008-01-17 Thread mungojelly
Quoting Yoav Nir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are after all people in the US with names like Pfeifer and Nguyen. There's good reason to set aside phonotactics rules for names. It's my opinion that in Lojban this is the role of a la'o name. A name marked with only la is a name which has been

[lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe

2008-01-17 Thread Michael Turniansky
On Jan 16, 2008 9:58 PM, Pierre Abbat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a real word lek, meaning something like {cinja'ogri}. zoi gy lek gy ji'a selsmu lo ckiptare rupnu --gejyspa

[lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe

2008-01-17 Thread Michael Turniansky
On Jan 17, 2008 5:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also would like to say in reference to the matter of having to end names on a consonant, that there appears to be a strong (if informal optional) tradition here in Lojbanistan of using s as the default consonant [ka'u] for vowel-ending

[lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe

2008-01-16 Thread Yoav Nir
I agree. And that's why I would like to understand the rationale for adding the apostrophe before saying whether I'm for it or against it. The apostrophe is not quite as absurd as the comma, because it is pronounced. So {la meri'} would sound different from {la meri}, but close enough to

[lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe

2008-01-16 Thread Elmo Todurov
Yoav Nir wrote: I have no problem with that, but it's not a regular consonant. I'm all for allowing anything that would better align lojban names with a person's real name (in their native language). But how does the apostrophe help? How would you pronounce it? As Elmo said, why not allow

[lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe

2008-01-16 Thread Vid Sintef
On Jan 16, 2008 12:57 PM, Elmo Todurov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vid Sintef wrote: What is the problem of using the apostrophe, which is effectively a consonant, It is not. It's special, just like y and . and ,. Yes it is special. But nonetheless it's a consonant pronounced as either /h/ or

[lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe

2008-01-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 17:58, Alex Martini wrote: Let's pull out the long linguistics words now. Phonotactics: the allowed sound combinations in a given language. For example, English would allow the nonsense word feep and lek, but not pferd or rmla. As a speaker of English, the rules

[lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe

2008-01-16 Thread Nathaniel Krause
Vid Sintef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the problem of using the apostrophe, which is effectively a consonant, instead of the other consonant letters, at the end of a cmevla? mu'o mi'e vid ' only occurs directly between vowels. A cmevla must always end in a consonant followed by a