Re: Compare and Contrast

2000-12-15 Thread Dean S Wilson
From: Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Anyway, one is an email claiming that a t-shirt will destroy years of >work getting Perl accepted by American corporations and the other is a >widely read Web techniques column by the same author at >http://www.stonehenge.com/perl/amihooternot > >Failing to

Re: Donation [off topic]

2000-12-20 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 20 December 2000 17:23 Subject: Re: Donation.. >> Your memory is flawed. Pantos aren't even slightly entertaining. > >not even the comic genius jim davidson's adult one? Warning both of these are VERY crude pantos! Sinde

Re: Donation [off topic]

2000-12-20 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: James Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Aha, a Jim Davidson connoisseur! Complement or insult? Taking the lists view i'll go with insult ;) Its a local thing me thinks, crude comedians with chips on their shoulders are appreciated here :) I'm very worried about join

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2000-12-21 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >errr .. now this is where I kinda lose the plot .. Active state perl for >windoze is a kinda good idea ... it wouls be nicer if you yould just get >plain perl to compile and install .. but hey, if ActiveState wanna go to >the tr

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2000-12-21 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 21 December 2000 14:04 >I would suggest that anyone capable of installing Linux will have no >bother at all typing >$perl -MCPAN - e shell >how simple can it be? Agreed with the perl bit but setting up a base Linux box is

Re: Donation [off topic]

2000-12-21 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: David Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Donation [off topic] >> PPS Has anything been mentioned about the London PM X-mas food/drink? > >We were pretty quorate the other lunchtime at the New World chinese... Ah! It wasn't in a pub so I got confused an

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2000-12-24 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >More to the point, how do I get makefiles to work on a humble Win98 box? Short answer is that you don't. Long answer is that you use nmake.exe (For perl modules, for anything else get an .exe its not worth the effort.) I can't

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2000-12-24 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >All free Unix-a-likes, and most commercial ones, have compilers either >as part of the package or as one of the 'must have' packages that >everyone installs anyway. Your argument might be valid for a few niche >platforms for wh

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2000-12-24 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 24 December 2000 15:01 Subject: Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623 >On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:35:50PM -, Dean S Wilson wrote: > >> PS Is it worth me doing

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2000-12-27 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >if I was someone like redhat or activestate (in conjuction with redhat >who have an already established distribution structure), i'd produce >CD's for each platform (Mac,Win98,Win2K) that with one install executable >would inst

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2000-12-27 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >* Roger Burton West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 09:42:26AM +, Redvers Davies wrote: >> >> my vote the one, the only ... Charlie's Angels >> >That was a fun film and entertaining but I need more tha

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623 Indigo Perl

2000-12-27 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >* Dean S Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> Or on a CD bookshelf, that way they could leverage their back >> catalogue of stuff like Managing make/imake and bung those on it for > >i never thoug

Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

2000-12-28 Thread Dean S Wilson
Don't know how many of you have seen this: http://www.oreilly.com/survey/perlcd.html Vote to decide if they should put Mastering Regular Expressions or the cookbook on the new CD. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon

Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

2000-12-28 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Natalie Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 28 December 2000 18:54 Subject: Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition >The problem being that I think they should include both and there is noway >

Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

2000-12-28 Thread Dean S Wilson
Original Message- From: Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> get a policy in place for upgrades, I'd rather pay 10-15 to upgrade my >> perl and Unix CD first edition and miss out on the included book than >> have to shell out for both of them at full price again. Might send >> that in to "a

Damian's webpage.

2001-01-04 Thread Dean S Wilson
Don't know how many of you have seen this: http://yetanother.org/damian/diary_January_2001.html#day_4 Made me chuckle. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon

Re: Technical Meeting

2001-01-05 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- > XML::Schema > XML::Schema will rule the world! This is still in the planning / > development phase, but it promises to kick bottom really hard. > Create a schema to describe your data and then sit back and let > the camel take over. The XML::Schema

Re: copious free time

2001-01-05 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Richard Clamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you've got anything for a senior >programmer, with 2-3 years Perl, a bag of unix/sql hammers, and a (silly) >module in the CPAN. Another of the brethren has been liberated! Only Brother Mison re

Re: copious free time

2001-01-05 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: dcross - David Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Another of the brethren has been liberated! Only Brother Mison remains >> to be saved ;) >Er... no. Paul was... um... 'saved' yesterday as well :( Well in that case kiss Oven goodbye. One of the reasons that I jumped

Re: copious free time

2001-01-05 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Natalie Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Oops - oven too[1]? Is it something in the water? Yeah its called Java ;) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon

Re: one liner

2001-01-06 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greg are you trolling? If so let me play ;) >> the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the >> projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot more cool >> projects than perl >Wh

Re: one liner

2001-01-06 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Ok, we are not (void) but we are pretty close so here is a one liner that >hopefully will provote discussion I left (void) and you'l not take me back alive! Outlook canne take the strain! >the only thing that gives pote

Re: one liner

2001-01-07 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: >> the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the >> projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot more cool >> projects tha

Re: one liner

2001-01-07 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Dean S Wilson writes: >> Has anyone tried Linux glade recently? Is it stable with perl yet? >The TPJ that's stalled at the printers has a fantuckingfastic article >on getting started with Glade

Re: one liner

2001-01-07 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Data point: the O'Reilly Perl/Tk book mysteriously jumped in the >Amazon sales rankings lately. It's been in the 100-300 range the last >few weeks. Toilet paper must be scarce ;) I dislike the Learning Perl/TK book and I'

Re: one liner

2001-01-07 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Before I launch in a kind of defence of the book, let me remind you >all that I liked the book before Tim started signing my paycheque. :-) Uncross those fingers. ;) Since your in the know what perl books are forthcoming?

Re: one liner

2001-01-07 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> I was wondering how hard it would be to put together a mini Application >> server toolkit. Hows this for a starting point? http://www.apachetoolbox.com/ He has porting it to perl

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dean S Wilson
>On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: >> >> In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. >> >> I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in >> the summer. We have a lot more parks. >> >> Perhaps September would be better, but hey. I

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >(I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the >lurkers out of hiding :) Nope its the lure of free alcohol. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon

Re: Advice

2001-01-19 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Advice is soreley needed. Don't work anywhere that Aaron does, he's jinxed. If he worked at Stonehenge then they'd use EJB's within the week ;) (Sorry Aaron hehe) >If I quit now then I have a week's notice period. If I quit aft

Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-20 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I did a little pair programming at emap - I probably wasn't doing it right >tho'. even so we did get thru the hard bits quicker and could split up to >do the easy stuff. I think it made a difference but then I was mostly >being

Perl Books

2001-01-23 Thread Dean S Wilson
I was having a look at the perl book reviews on Amazon (Yes boycott, yes they have good reviews) when I came across this Proceedings of the Perl Conference 4.0 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596000138/qid=980264576/sr=1 -62/202-4272860-9199824 I didn't get to go to that conference so

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running >samba >> is the prefered development environment. > >Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X >stuff. If you've got a nic

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Dean S Wilson
Original Message- From: David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Must remember to try IE under WINE. > >Don't bother. It doesn't work. I've seen IE5 running under wine on Debian. The machine did have a 98 partition though so he might have been using the libraries from there, is that chea

London Community News 30/01/00

2001-01-30 Thread Dean S Wilson
Welcome to the first post of the London Community News. The LCN is a fortnightly (Or so) e-mail that contains a brief summary of the London based open source community groups and their activities for the month ahead and any major open-source events. If you have any suggestions for the mail or kno

Re: Perl Books

2001-01-31 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Hey, if she's allowed to plug, so am I :-) The 2nd edition of "CGI >Programming with Perl" (O'Reilly of course) is pretty bloody good Duh, its an O'Reilly. ;) Also L Steins Network Programming with Perl is a good book. I'm

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Elaine -HFB- Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >anyone other than Webheads have better things to do than learn CGI. It >doesn't make them stupid, in fact, I'd almost argue that they are the >bright ones. Amen. >Which is probably about 95% of the planet. Why should th

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Benjamin Holzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >True, but there aren't many people who will assume that they can perform >brain surgery just because they successfully applied a band-aid to a paper >cut the week before. You haven't been to the NHS recently have you... ;)

Re: de-dupe a filesystem

2001-02-08 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Anyone got anything to hand that will spot massive duplications in a >filesystem? I've got a whole bunch of servers mirrored to a backup >server and it's be nice to identify where entire file trees have been >replicated... Y

Re: RPC stuff

2001-03-08 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >What's the best way forward for RPC / distributed Perl stuff? I don't need >anything super complicated, but RPC::Simple seems to want to use Tk ?! XML-RPC and SOAP are both interesting at the mo. Homepage http://www.xmlrp

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Seriously, we were surprised when another conference announced itself >over top of our dates, so we're trying to work out how best to deal with >that (move, reposition, whatever). Never ever think conferences are >easy. I

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dean S Wilson
Original Message- From: Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: >> ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of >> noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. > >Wait until TPC. Ahh come on! We ne

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Martin Ling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> YOu havent been around here very long have you :) >Indeed, that was just my observation on a few posts' worth. Who *knows* >what I might conclude about a whole day's traffic.. Stick with drunks, it'll save time. And the meeti

Re: [Gllug] Saturday Show

2001-04-20 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: John Southern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dunno how many of the PMers go to the fairs but this might be of interest: >As you all may know SuSE have decided to help out on the Pre-LinuxDay day. >Along with GLLUG they will be at the UCL Union building computer show >( Ma

Re: see attachment

2001-05-12 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Of course we could make a cyberpunk movie instead, now let >me thing about it Someone please employ Mr Mccarroll. My mail box can't cope with him having this much spare time. ;) Dean -- Profanity is the one language

Re: [OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

2001-05-17 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >... Boobapalooza! You boys will be capturing plenty of stills from >the season-ending shows. I'd never sink that low. I know how to use google and wget... >Think Princess Leia only funny and jaw-droppingly gorgeous. Reno

Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days "awaiting credit card clearance" >and two days "awaiting despatch". It *is* in stock, it's just taking them >four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it. If your in London

Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >At 14:48 17/05/01 +0100, Dean wrote: >>If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a Saturday, >>you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending >>lately its getting easier to haggle the p

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-19 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message-From: Barry Pretsell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I'm interested to know if anyone uses Safari to read O'Reilly books online. >http://safari1.oreilly.com/tablhom.asp?home   >It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions o

Re: Decompression

2001-06-01 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Richard Clamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Umm, *strokes beard* by archive you mean tar file, right? If so then >Archive::Tar looks likely, and it even automagically deals with .gz This does exactly what I wanted, a pint is yours at the next meeting! >files via Comp