RE: spare memory

2008-09-02 Thread Gemmail, Rafiq (IT)
Apologies.. Did not mean to reply to the list. R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hodgkinson Sent: 31 August 2008 18:47 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: spare memory I just upgraded my macbook to 4G and thus have two

RE: spare memory

2008-09-02 Thread Gemmail, Rafiq (IT)
Hi Dave, If you've still got these, I would probably be interested. Cheers, Rafiq Gemmail Morgan Stanley | Technology 25 Cabot Square | Canary Wharf | Floor 03 London, E14 4QA Phone: +44 20 7677-2923 [EMAIL PROTECTED] BE CARBON CONSCIOUS. PLEASE CONSIDER OUR ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PRINTING THIS

Re: spare memory

2008-09-02 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Someone got first dibs On 2 Sep 2008, at 11:40, Gemmail, Rafiq (IT) wrote: Hi Dave, If you've still got these, I would probably be interested. Cheers, Rafiq Gemmail Morgan Stanley | Technology 25 Cabot Square | Canary Wharf | Floor 03 London, E14 4QA Phone: +44 20 7677-2923 [EMAIL

Re: spare memory

2008-09-02 Thread Nic Gibson
On 2 Sep 2008, at 12:26, Denny wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:16 +0100, Nic Gibson wrote: I'm about to upgrade a macbook pro to 4gig and a macbook to 2g so I'll have some RAM spare in a day or two if anyone wants (I can drop it in the post or, if you're near ShellMex House, 80 Strand, I

[permanent job advert] Perl developer with DBIx::Class and Catalyst skills

2008-09-02 Thread Livio Ravetto
Hi there, Sorry to use the list for this, I thought someone without a job (or bored to death) could be interested... Exponential-e (see http://www.exponential-e.com) needs a developer with the following skills: *MUST* Perl (goes without saying...) DBIx::Class Catalyst MVC *PREFERED* MySQL Linux

Freeish computer equipment

2008-09-02 Thread Tara Andrews
Hey, at least it's not a job advert. A friend of mine in Boston sent me this today. His company wants a colo rack cleared at no expense to itself. If you're interested, ping me and I'll put you in touch. -tara -- Forwarded message -- From: tara's friend Date: Tue, Sep 2, 2008

Re: [permanent job advert] Perl developer with DBIx::Class and Catalyst skills

2008-09-02 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 13:34 +0100, Livio Ravetto wrote: Hi there, Sorry to use the list for this, For future reference http://london.pm.org/about/faq.html#job /J\

Re: [ANNOUNCE] September social - Thurs 4 Sep - Crown, Clerkenwell Green

2008-09-02 Thread Greg McCarroll
Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ... On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:27:29PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote: Hello! For the September social, we're going somewhere we've not been before - the Crown on Clerkenwell Green. We have the upstairs function room booked from 6:30pm. There's no bar up there,

Re: [ANNOUNCE] September social - Thurs 4 Sep - Crown, Clerkenwell Green

2008-09-02 Thread Greg McCarroll
s/tomorrow/thursday/ On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:42:37PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ... On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:27:29PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote: Hello! For the September social, we're going somewhere we've not been before - the Crown on

Re: Freeish computer equipment

2008-09-02 Thread Tara Andrews
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Tara Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, at least it's not a job advert. A friend of mine in Boston sent me this today. His company wants a colo rack cleared at no expense to itself. If you're interested, ping me and I'll put you in touch. ...and I've now

Re: [ANNOUNCE] September social - Thurs 4 Sep - Crown, Clerkenwell Green

2008-09-02 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:42:37PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ... please ignore this message for the next 12 hours? On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:01:02PM +0100, James Laver wrote: On 2008-08-28 11:54, Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS I'll stick

Re: [ANNOUNCE] September social - Thurs 4 Sep - Crown, Clerkenwell Green

2008-09-02 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 14:42 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ... You appear to have sent this a day early :-)

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 09:39:51PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: And, in no way related to Martin, but related to software value, http://notalwaysright.com/thickheaded-as-thieves/739 We'd be delighted to send you a new registration code. For security reasons we need to post it. What's

Re: Calling Conventions and Pass By Reference

2008-09-02 Thread Philip Newton
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 20:18, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What other subtleties am I missing? What are the pros and cons from a language and culture perspective? From an underlying implementation and internals perspective? From a culture perspective, it also depends on which classes

Re: Calling Conventions and Pass By Reference

2008-09-02 Thread Yuval Kogman
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 19:18:38 +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: A thought - what would the advantages and disadvantages of having only references in a language. I'm going to assume you mean low level referencing semantics (value aliasing) The downside is that, of course, you can spooky actions

Re: Calling Conventions and Pass By Reference

2008-09-02 Thread Yuval Kogman
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 20:29:31 +0200, Philip Newton wrote: For example, in certain languages, strings and primitive-wrapper objects are immutable, so if you pass them to someone else, they can't muck around with them. In perl they are too, a scalar is a container not a value. $x++ creates

Re: Calling Conventions and Pass By Reference

2008-09-02 Thread Simon Wistow
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:43:32PM +0300, Yuval Kogman said: but conversly you have: my $x = 3; my $y = $x; $x++; $y; # 4 IIRC python works like that. There was an interesting paper a while back [goes off to find it ... AHAH]

Re: Calling Conventions and Pass By Reference

2008-09-02 Thread Randy J. Ray
a=10 b=4 c=a+b a=20 Now what is the value of c? For the first example, the answer is pretty clearly 14 but for the second the answer could arguably be either 14 *or* 24. I think most programmers are going to go with 14 but I wonder if a totally pass by reference language

Re: Calling Conventions and Pass By Reference

2008-09-02 Thread Raphael Mankin
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 20:13 +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:43:32PM +0300, Yuval Kogman said: but conversly you have: my $x = 3; my $y = $x; $x++; $y; # 4 IIRC python works like that. There was an interesting paper a while back [goes off

Re: Calling Conventions and Pass By Reference

2008-09-02 Thread Simon Wistow
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:07:18PM +0100, Raphael Mankin said: I think that you are confusing call by reference with call by name. With call by name every parameter is actually a subroutine that evaluates the parameter when you use it, as in Algol 60 of blessed memory. Sorry, I was being a

Re: Calling Conventions and Pass By Reference

2008-09-02 Thread Yuval Kogman
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 20:13:12 +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: For the first example, the answer is pretty clearly 14 but for the second the answer could arguably be either 14 *or* 24. ... More importantly - if that happened would it even matter? Would old programmers have a problem with it

Re: Calling Conventions and Pass By Reference

2008-09-02 Thread Yuval Kogman
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 00:35:01 +0300, Yuval Kogman wrote: Every value is conceptually an infinite stream of values, so e.g. writing a clock widget amounts to assigning the output of some formatting function applied to $time, into a GUI widget. The system will reevaluate on any change. I

Kindness to the poor workshop organiser

2008-09-02 Thread Matt S Trout
Hey. Mark Keating, the Shadowcat MD and volunteer for London Perl Workshop organising this year, is going to be down in London tomorrow evening and it seems the friend he was going to meet won't be around so he'll be stuck for something to do. So, any of you who want to bend his ear over LPW, I

Re: Kindness to the poor workshop organiser

2008-09-02 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 12:37:22AM +0100, Matt S Trout wrote: Hey. Mark Keating, the Shadowcat MD and volunteer for London Perl Workshop organising this year, is going to be down in London tomorrow evening and it seems the friend he was going to meet won't be around so he'll be stuck for