On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 12:37:22AM +0100, Matt S Trout wrote:
> Hey. Mark Keating, the Shadowcat MD and "volunteer" for London Perl Workshop
> organising this year, is going to be down in London tomorrow evening and
> it seems the friend he was going to meet won't be around so he'll be stuck
> for
Hey. Mark Keating, the Shadowcat MD and "volunteer" for London Perl Workshop
organising this year, is going to be down in London tomorrow evening and
it seems the friend he was going to meet won't be around so he'll be stuck
for something to do.
So, any of you who want to bend his ear over LPW, I
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 00:35:01 +0300, Yuval Kogman wrote:
> Every value is conceptually an infinite stream of values, so e.g.
> writing a clock widget amounts to assigning the output of some
> formatting function applied to $time, into a GUI widget. The system
> will reevaluate on any change.
I
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 20:13:12 +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> For the first example, the answer is pretty clearly 14 but for the
> second the answer could arguably be either 14 *or* 24.
...
> More importantly - if that happened would it even matter? Would old
> programmers have a problem with it
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:07:18PM +0100, Raphael Mankin said:
> I think that you are confusing call by reference with call by name. With
> call by name every parameter is actually a subroutine that evaluates the
> parameter when you use it, as in Algol 60 of blessed memory.
Sorry, I was being a l
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 20:13 +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:43:32PM +0300, Yuval Kogman said:
> > but conversly you have:
> >
> > my $x = 3;
> > my $y = $x;
> > $x++;
> > $y; # 4
> >
> > IIRC python works like that.
>
> There was an interesting paper a wh
a=10
b=4
c=a+b
a=20
Now what is the value of c?
For the first example, the answer is pretty clearly 14 but for the
second the answer could arguably be either 14 *or* 24.
I think most programmers are going to go with 14 but I wonder if a
totally pass by reference language
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:43:32PM +0300, Yuval Kogman said:
> but conversly you have:
>
> my $x = 3;
> my $y = $x;
> $x++;
> $y; # 4
>
> IIRC python works like that.
There was an interesting paper a while back [goes off to find it ...
AHAH]
http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/rese
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 20:29:31 +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> For example, in certain languages, strings and primitive-wrapper
> objects are immutable, so if you pass them to someone else, they can't
> muck around with them.
In perl they are too, a scalar is a container not a value.
$x++ create
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 19:18:38 +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> A thought - what would the advantages and disadvantages of having only
> references in a language.
I'm going to assume you mean low level referencing semantics (value
aliasing)
> The downside is that, of course, you can spooky actions
What other subtleties am I missing? What are the pros and cons from a
language and culture perspective? From an underlying implementation and
internals perspective?
Well, the first thing that occurs to me is that every variable access is now a
dereference, which is going to be very wasteful fo
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 20:18, Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What other subtleties am I missing? What are the pros and cons from a
> language and culture perspective? From an underlying implementation and
> internals perspective?
>From a culture perspective, it also depends on which cla
A thought - what would the advantages and disadvantages of having only
references in a language.
Let's take Perl for example. By only having references we'd clean up a
lot of syntax confusion - no more $foo{bar} and $foo->{bar}, there is
only one way to do it.
Related it's much easier to expla
David Cantrell wrote:
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 09:39:51PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
And, in no way related to Martin, but related to software value,
http://notalwaysright.com/thickheaded-as-thieves/739
" We'd be delighted to send you a new registration code. For security
reasons we
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 09:39:51PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> And, in no way related to Martin, but related to software value,
> http://notalwaysright.com/thickheaded-as-thieves/739
" We'd be delighted to send you a new registration code. For security
reasons we need to post it. What
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 14:42 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ...
You appear to have sent this a day early :-)
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:42:37PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ...
"please ignore this message for the next 12 hours"?
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:01:02PM +0100, James Laver wrote:
> On 2008-08-28 11:54, "Nicholas Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > P
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Tara Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, at least it's not a job advert.
>
> A friend of mine in Boston sent me this today. His company wants a
> colo rack cleared at no expense to itself. If you're interested, ping
> me and I'll put you in touch.
...and I'v
s/tomorrow/thursday/
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:42:37PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote
>
> Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ...
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:27:29PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote:
> > Hello! For the September social, we're going somewhere we've not been
> > before - the Crown on Cle
Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ...
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:27:29PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote:
> Hello! For the September social, we're going somewhere we've not been
> before - the Crown on Clerkenwell Green. We have the upstairs function
> room booked from 6:30pm. There's no bar up there
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 13:42 +0100, James Laver wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Livio Ravetto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > Sorry to use the list for this, I thought someone without a job (or bored to
> > death) could be interested...
>
> Hi Livio,
>
> There is a dedicated
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 13:34 +0100, Livio Ravetto wrote:
> Hi there,
> Sorry to use the list for this,
For future reference http://london.pm.org/about/faq.html#job
/J\
Hey, at least it's not a job advert.
A friend of mine in Boston sent me this today. His company wants a
colo rack cleared at no expense to itself. If you're interested, ping
me and I'll put you in touch.
-tara
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Livio Ravetto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there,
> Sorry to use the list for this, I thought someone without a job (or bored to
> death) could be interested...
Hi Livio,
There is a dedicated jobs list. If you send an email to a list admin
I'm sure they'd be hap
Hi there,
Sorry to use the list for this, I thought someone without a job (or bored to
death) could be interested...
Exponential-e (see http://www.exponential-e.com) needs a developer with the
following skills:
*MUST*
Perl (goes without saying...)
DBIx::Class
Catalyst MVC
*PREFERED*
MySQL
Linux (Ub
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:16 +0100, Nic Gibson wrote:
> I'm about to upgrade a macbook pro to 4gig and a macbook to 2g so I'll
> have some RAM spare in a day or two if anyone wants (I can drop it in
> the post or, if you're near ShellMex House, 80 Strand, I can hand it
> over).
>
> I don't r
On 2 Sep 2008, at 12:26, Denny wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:16 +0100, Nic Gibson wrote:
I'm about to upgrade a macbook pro to 4gig and a macbook to 2g so
I'll
have some RAM spare in a day or two if anyone wants (I can drop it
in
the post or, if you're near ShellMex House, 80 Strand, I
On an exceedingly similar note,
I'm about to upgrade a macbook pro to 4gig and a macbook to 2g so I'll
have some RAM spare in a day or two if anyone wants (I can drop it in
the post or, if you're near ShellMex House, 80 Strand, I can hand it
over).
I don't remember what's in the MacBook
Someone got first dibs
On 2 Sep 2008, at 11:40, Gemmail, Rafiq (IT) wrote:
Hi Dave,
If you've still got these, I would probably be interested.
Cheers,
Rafiq Gemmail
Morgan Stanley | Technology
25 Cabot Square | Canary Wharf | Floor 03
London, E14 4QA
Phone: +44 20 7677-2923
[EMAIL PROTECTED
Hi Dave,
If you've still got these, I would probably be interested.
Cheers,
Rafiq Gemmail
Morgan Stanley | Technology
25 Cabot Square | Canary Wharf | Floor 03
London, E14 4QA
Phone: +44 20 7677-2923
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Apologies..
Did not mean to reply to the list.
R.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hodgkinson
> Sent: 31 August 2008 18:47
> To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers
> Subject: spare memory
>
>
> I just upgraded my macbook to 4G and thus h
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