Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Dirk Koopman
On 20/04/11 23:17, Peter Edwards wrote: Imagine you're supporting a 3 year old code base that needs specific versions of DBIx::Class, Catalyst, Moose and Class::MOP to make it run, and when you do a upgrade via yum or apt-get or cpan random things break in your regression tests and you don't hav

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Mark Overmeer
* Dirk Koopman (d...@tobit.co.uk) [110421 08:08]: > On 20/04/11 23:17, Peter Edwards wrote: > >Imagine you're supporting a 3 year old code base that needs specific > >versions of DBIx::Class, Catalyst, Moose and Class::MOP to make it run, and > >when you do a upgrade via yum or apt-get or cpan rand

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Simon Cozens
On 21/04/2011 09:26, Mark Overmeer wrote: > CPAN was never made to maintain software. It is made to distribute > software. When you upload something to it, there is no warning that > you will become responsible for its future. And this, folks, is precisely why I use Drupal these days.

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Jason Clifford
On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 23:06 -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote: > > He's embarrassed that didn't think to run "apt-get install > > libnet-twitter-perl"? > > That doesn't work so well on a vanilla OS X box. Whcih is what his > workstation is. That's not a perl fail but rather a fail on the part of those

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Kieren Diment
On 21/04/2011, at 7:08 PM, Jason Clifford wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 23:06 -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote: >>> He's embarrassed that didn't think to run "apt-get install >>> libnet-twitter-perl"? >> >> That doesn't work so well on a vanilla OS X box. Whcih is what his >> workstation is. > > Th

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Zbigniew Lukasiak
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Simon Cozens wrote: > On 21/04/2011 09:26, Mark Overmeer wrote: >> CPAN was never made to maintain software. It is made to distribute >> software. When you upload something to it, there is no warning that >> you will become responsible for its future. > > And this

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:08:16AM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 23:06 -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote: > > There is a toolchain bug. Perl's toolchain can't find XCode. > Is it really the responsibility of the perl toolchain to do that? Yes. FWIW, it has managed to find XCode ju

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:26:45AM +0200, Mark Overmeer wrote: > As demonstration of cpan6, I have created a full backpan archive, where > you can get the 02packages of any day in history. So you can then say > "install DBIx::Simple with the knowledge of 2001-02-12 as yum" > Large parts of the cod

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Denny
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 10:26 +0200, Mark Overmeer wrote: > As demonstration of cpan6, I have created a full backpan archive, where > you can get the 02packages of any day in history. So you can then say > "install DBIx::Simple with the knowledge of 2001-02-12 as yum" That sounds really useful! s

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Jesse Vincent
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:33:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:08:16AM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 23:06 -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote: > > > There is a toolchain bug. Perl's toolchain can't find XCode. > > Is it really the responsibility of

Fwd: Perl 5.14.0 Release Candidate 1

2011-04-21 Thread Léon Brocard
Perl 5.14.0 Release Candidate 1 is out! Please test it with your work code for any showstoppers. Leon -- Forwarded message -- From: Jesse Vincent Date: 20 April 2011 13:52 Subject: Perl 5.14.0 Release Candidate 1 To: perl5-port...@perl.org        But then Australia is such a di

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On 21 Apr 2011, at 12:37, Denny wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 10:26 +0200, Mark Overmeer wrote: >> As demonstration of cpan6, I have created a full backpan archive, where >> you can get the 02packages of any day in history. So you can then say >> "install DBIx::Simple with the knowledge of 2001-

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Zbigniew Lukasiak
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:35 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:22:20PM +0100, Bill Crawford wrote: > >> If (as recently happened) you discover a dependency chain that leads >> to CPAN complaining that you need a newer perl because it's a core >> module ... it gets extra annoyi

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Mark Overmeer
* Dave Hodgkinson (daveh...@gmail.com) [110421 12:13]: > >> "install DBIx::Simple with the knowledge of 2001-02-12 as yum" > Isn't CPAN on Time Machine? No. But we have backpan, where all the modules ever uploaded are kept. The main problem is that the administration 02packages (etc) files which

Re: Jobs in London

2011-04-21 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 23 March 2011 12:43, David Cantrell wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:32:11PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: >> On 23 Mar 2011, at 11:16, David Cantrell wrote: >> > IME it's the norm for large employers.  Even at smaller employers my >> > experience is that that's generally what it says in the

Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Pedro Figueiredo
On 21 Apr 2011, at 12:52, Jesse Vincent wrote: > Jamie swears that it's a vanilla vendor Perl on a new 10.6.7 box with > XCode 4. Someone spotted it trying to use the _ppc_ compiler at some > point during the build. I don't currently have suitable test hardware > to try to repro it on. :/ Could

[ANNOUNCE] London Perl M[ou]ngers May Social - 2011-05-05 - The Gunmakers Arms, Clerkenwell EC1R

2011-04-21 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
Hi all, Next month's social will be on Thursday 5 May, and we will be going back to The Gunmakers Arms, where Jeff will be providing space, foamy beers, tasty cider and yummy food as usual, starting from 18:30. Details: The Gunmakers Arms 13 Eyre Street Hill Clerkenwell EC1R 5ET http://london.ra