Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 10 December 2011 23:06, ian dochert wrote: >> If you don't have everyone remote then these comments happen... at the >> physical water cooler, if everyone is remote then you can create your >> virtual water cooler (IRC or what ever). >> > Interestingly the converse of this can be useful too. >

Re: Dim sum Tuesday 12:30pm at Pearl Liang (with Jesse)

2011-12-12 Thread Leon Brocard
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 01:55:49PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: Gentle reminder, dear boys and girls, that this is tomorrow: > Yet again it's time for dim sum! This time we will have an extra > special guest from across the pond: Jesse Vincent. Come have dim > sum with us: > > Pearl Liang > 8

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Abigail
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:13:02AM +, David Cantrell wrote: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:06:14PM +, ian docherty wrote: > > > The small 'ping' of an IRC is less disruptive than a tap on the > > shoulder and you can complete your current work before giving it, and > > your co-developer, you

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread David Cantrell
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:06:14PM +, ian docherty wrote: > The small 'ping' of an IRC is less disruptive than a tap on the > shoulder and you can complete your current work before giving it, and > your co-developer, your full attention. Doesn't work so well when the IRC window is buried unde

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:44, Abigail wrote: > Working from the office gives you more options: one can use > IRC or some instant message system, *or* walk over and interact > directly. Telecommuting takes away the latter option. Walking over > also has some other advantages: often the question yo

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Kieren Diment
On 12/12/2011, at 9:13 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:06:14PM +, ian docherty wrote: > >> > [snip] > which instead of trying to solve a problem with Magic Technology is a > blend of technology and primitive caveman grunting, which IME works > better than either of

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Dirk Koopman
On 12/12/11 10:13, David Cantrell wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:06:14PM +, ian docherty wrote: The small 'ping' of an IRC is less disruptive than a tap on the shoulder and you can complete your current work before giving it, and your co-developer, your full attention. Doesn't work so

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:13, David Cantrell wrote: > Doesn't work so well when the IRC window is buried under twenty other > windows because you're actually *working*. If you chose to you could use any number of notification technologies… If you don't like that idea then the issue is less that

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread Peter Corlett
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 08:46:57PM +, David Cantrell wrote: [...] > Of course, if your people are made of pure Awesomium then you might be OK > with taking that performance hit because you're still coming out ahead > despite your people being in Narsarsuaq and Tataouine compared to if you'd > e

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Lindolfo Lorn Rodrigues
This discussion about Telecommuting reminded me this blog post -"Remote worker vs distributed team"http://opensource.com/life/11/11/remote-worker-vs-distributed-team?sc_cid=7016000IDmjAAG On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:13, David Cantrell wr

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:08:14AM -0200, Lindolfo Lorn Rodrigues wrote: > This discussion about Telecommuting reminded me this blog post > -"Remote worker vs distributed > team"http://opensource.com/life/11/11/remote-worker-vs-distributed-team?sc_cid=7016000IDmjAAG That's a really nice explan

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:10:35AM +, Dirk Koopman wrote: > Being constantly interrupted is one of the programmers bugbears. > Especially as I argue that this probably wastes even more time than > dealing with email. It isn't just the time the interruption takes, but > also the time lost wh

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Simon Wilcox
On 12/12/2011 12:37, Nicholas Clark wrote: [I can't remember if he was also the first person to alert me to the thought that it's also a "cover your back" mechanism for your actions. If you Cc: it to people, then later you can tell them that they*had* a copy back then, so it's hard to complain l

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread Jacqui Caren
On 09/12/2011 10:04, Aaron Trevena wrote: recruiters were telling candidates all sorts of things about why we weren't hiring them and it was very fraustrating when meeting people who apparently got turned down when nobody had even seen their CV. Hmm this explains a lot! Jacqui

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread James Laver
On 12 Dec 2011, at 13:04, Simon Wilcox wrote: > That and the fact that many new graduate recruits don't use email much any > more. [citation needed] /j

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 01:04:56PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: >That and the fact that many new graduate recruits don't use email >much any more. If they've only ever used the crippled-but-flashy version that Microsoft provides, this is hardly surprising - why would they want to? It has nothing to

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Simon Wilcox
On 12/12/2011 13:39, James Laver wrote: On 12 Dec 2011, at 13:04, Simon Wilcox wrote: That and the fact that many new graduate recruits don't use email much any more. [citation needed] In that same article: "They put on the table the fact that most of the young people that we were hiring

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Peter Corlett
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:37:54PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: [...] > All this leads to the default being a flood of e-mail. Which everyone (and > the organisation as a whole) pays for. It doesn't help that said organisations often also dictate that people only use Outlook or Lotus Notes for ema

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread Adrian Howard
On 12 Dec 2011, at 11:49, Peter Corlett wrote: > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 08:46:57PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > [...] >> Of course, if your people are made of pure Awesomium then you might be OK >> with taking that performance hit because you're still coming out ahead >> despite your people be

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread Richard Foley - WNBR Book Project
Let's also not forget the positive environmental, (and economic and health), effects from not having to sit in a car for an hour at both ends of the day. -- Ciao Richard Foley The WNBR Book Project http://www.naktiv.net/wnbr On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:49:11AM +, Peter Corlett wrote: > On

Re: Telecommuting

2011-12-12 Thread Jacqui Caren
On 12/12/2011 13:04, Simon Wilcox wrote: The problem is that I suspect that there isn't a good mechanism for doing that at the moment and email is the best tool that exists in many cases (for general business management, I know there are good tools for development teams). Hmm, for business "

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 11:42:14AM +, Smylers wrote: > > This is a followup to my post to the Perl jobs-discuss mailing list. > > Terrence picked it up here: > > http://livingcosmos.posterous.com/beware-of-net-a-porter-perl-jobs and > > the original can be found here: > > http://www.mail-archi

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread Peter Corlett
On 12 Dec 2011, at 15:04, Adrian Howard wrote: > On 12 Dec 2011, at 11:49, Peter Corlett wrote: [...] >> And there's another perspective: I'm prepared to offer a 20-40% discount on >> my usual daily rate if I don't have to waste several hours a day dragging my >> carcass over to an office in the

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread Simon Wistow
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 08:49:16AM +0100, Richard Foley said: > UK programmers are half the cost of US programmer? Wow, and I thought all the > IT jobs were moving to India! > > Maybe it's time to move back to the UK, where the beer is warm and the girls > are... That's not implausible. A good

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread James Laver
On 12 Dec 2011, at 22:16, Simon Wistow wrote: > That's not implausible. > > A good but junior programmer in San Francisco is generally looking at a > 100K USD salary which equates to about 65K UKP. > > Unless things have changed since I left London that would be high for a > junior. Minus hea

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread Kieren Diment
On 13/12/2011, at 9:30 AM, James Laver wrote: > On 12 Dec 2011, at 22:16, Simon Wistow wrote: > >> That's not implausible. >> >> A good but junior programmer in San Francisco is generally looking at a >> 100K USD salary which equates to about 65K UKP. >> >> Unless things have changed since I l

Re: Beware: NET-A-PORTER

2011-12-12 Thread Simon Wistow
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:30:28PM +, James Laver said: > Minus health insurance premiums (and you'd want good cover, wouldn't > you) for a start. And all of the other things you don't get included > over there. My health insurance premiums aren't much more than what I paid in NI back in th