Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread Anthony Lucas
But, why on earth would this go into a "standard perl distribution"? It doesn't sound very standard OR widely distributable. You can't have it both ways... No one is trying to be unwelcoming, It's just that we're getting 2 conflicting messages here. -Original Message- From: Greg McCar

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread Greg McCarroll
On 31 Oct 2012, at 20:40, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: > > On 31 Oct 2012, at 20:00, Joel Bernstein wrote: >> >> Not to be snarky but the answer here seems to be "yes, and what's your >> point?" > > Companies that make you buy their software (limited, free, > development version notwithstanding,

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread DAVID HODGKINSON
On 31 Oct 2012, at 20:00, Joel Bernstein wrote: > > Not to be snarky but the answer here seems to be "yes, and what's your point?" Companies that make you buy their software (limited, free, development version notwithstanding, limiting the *client* systems you use out of what, fear that you mi

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread Joel Bernstein
On 31 October 2012 20:34, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: > > On 31 Oct 2012, at 17:53, Joel Bernstein wrote: > >> On 31 October 2012 18:42, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: >>> On 31 Oct 2012, at 17:33, Jason Clifford wrote: The DBD will be normal perl however it will require a client lib which will

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread DAVID HODGKINSON
On 31 Oct 2012, at 17:53, Joel Bernstein wrote: > On 31 October 2012 18:42, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: >> On 31 Oct 2012, at 17:33, Jason Clifford wrote: >>> The DBD will be normal perl however it will require a client lib which >>> will be a binary only distribution. >> And hilarity ensued. > >

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread Joel Bernstein
On 31 October 2012 18:42, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: > On 31 Oct 2012, at 17:33, Jason Clifford wrote: >> The DBD will be normal perl however it will require a client lib which >> will be a binary only distribution. > And hilarity ensued. I don't see why, that's how all the other commercial RDBMS D

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread DAVID HODGKINSON
On 31 Oct 2012, at 17:33, Jason Clifford wrote: > On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 17:21 +, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: >>> it seems pretty obvious to me. the sybase people have written a new driver >>> which is being released in binary only form (hence proprietary) >> >> Talking with Chris last night, t

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread Jason Clifford
On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 17:21 +, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: > > it seems pretty obvious to me. the sybase people have written a new driver > > which is being released in binary only form (hence proprietary) > > Talking with Chris last night, that may not be the case. I also spoke with him last ni

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread DAVID HODGKINSON
On 30 Oct 2012, at 18:02, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 10/30/2012 01:35 PM, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: >> Chris, >> >> Can you define "proprietary" please? >> >> It will be shipped with .so files? >> >> The source will be there but the license says we can't change it? > > it seems pretty obvious to

Presentation tools

2012-10-31 Thread David Cantrell
I want a thing. I want Keynote on my iPad to magically broadcast video to a thing so that it gets shown on a big screen; for it to record my voice as I speak (maybe using a Bluetooth thing); for it to also record (and show on the projector) where I touch the screen; and to switch between slides wh

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread James Laver
On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:04, Dave Cross wrote: > Really? What about all those Android devices using SQLite for pretty much all > their data storage? > > Dave... SQLite is the most used database in the world if you count installs because so much software that installs onto end user machines/devic

Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 2012-10-30

2012-10-31 Thread Leon Brocard
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:40:53AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: > http://londonpmtech.appspot.com/ Thanks to all the speakers! Don't forget about the London Perl Workshop next month: http://act.yapc.eu/lpw2012/ Leon

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread Dave Cross
Quoting Chris Jack : From: [attribution appears to be missing] PostgreSQL and SQLite are both excellent open source databases that are still actively developed. True, but they don't even appear on the radar for market share. Really? What about all those Android devices using SQLite for pr

Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module

2012-10-31 Thread Chris Jack
From: Joel Bernstein > Chris Jack wrote: > > Sybase will be releasing to CPAN but they're still finishing off > > work/testing etc. > What's the question then? The original question was how to get it into standard distributions. Dave Cross answered this. When I asked at the SAP/Sybase conf

[ANNOUNCE] Reminder: london.pm social tomorrow, 2012-11-01

2012-10-31 Thread David Cantrell
November is one of those special months when the London Perl Mongers have *two* socials. The first of these is tomorrow, the 1st of November. As is customary for socials on the 1st of the month, it will be south of the river. This time we're going to Brighton, which is in Travelcard zone 10. We