Tim Sweetman wrote:
On 2 Oct 2008, at 16:43, Raphael Mankin wrote:
We got few calls. It was possible to go a whole week without being
called out. It helps when a person releasing buggy software knows that
his colleagues will give him a good kicking in the morning.
In this country, it is
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:36:20 +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Peter Haworth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My employers are trying to come up with a clear remuneration
scheme for the 24x7 team, after it was accidentally shrouded in
mystery for a number of years, and
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 10:57 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:36:20 +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Actually, it's a whole 24x7h at a stretch on call. This rotates
through the team members, so we're on call one week in 9 at the
moment. We've all had to sign an exemption to
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Peter Haworth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:36:20 +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Peter Haworth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My employers are trying to come up with a clear remuneration
scheme for the 24x7 team,
Raphael Mankin wrote:
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 10:57 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:36:20 +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Offer them +20% for doing a night shift and see how that goes down.
(Wait, 'goes down' maybe not the ideal phrase...)
We got paid 0.5 days for each week
On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 10:57:08AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
Actually, it's a whole 24x7h at a stretch on call. This rotates
through the team members, so we're on call one week in 9 at the
moment. We've all had to sign an exemption to the working hours
directive for the weeks that we're on
On 2 Oct 2008, at 16:43, Raphael Mankin wrote:
We got few calls. It was possible to go a whole week without being
called out. It helps when a person releasing buggy software knows
that
his colleagues will give him a good kicking in the morning.
In this country, it is wise to beat a
2008/9/30 Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I know this subject has been discussed on the list before, but I can't
seem to figure out the right search terms to find it in the archives,
so I'm going to have to ask again:
My employers are trying to come up with a clear remuneration scheme
for
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:11:05AM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote:
2008/9/30 Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I know this subject has been discussed on the list before, but I can't
[all good points]
Please note from the following is not from experience of being called out -
there was only one
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:34:15AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:11:05AM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote:
2008/9/30 Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I know this subject has been discussed on the list before, but I can't
[all good points]
Gosh, and then I go
I got so cheesed off in previous roles that I now say, if you want
me on 24x7 call, you are paying me 24x7, the rate is negotiable!
I find it an unacceptable bind to keep lappy and my brain in a fit
order to fix dead apps when I have gone home, for the customary 12p
per week.
Yes
On 1 Oct 2008, at 11:04, Stewart Anderson wrote:
I got so cheesed off in previous roles that I now say, if you want
me on 24x7 call, you are paying me 24x7, the rate is negotiable!
That's a really good point. The rate should be punitive enough that
management don't get complacent about
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
On 1 Oct 2008, at 11:04, Stewart Anderson wrote:
I got so cheesed off in previous roles that I now say, if you want
me on 24x7 call, you are paying me 24x7, the rate is negotiable!
That's a really good point. The rate should be punitive enough that
management
2008/10/1 Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 1 Oct 2008, at 11:04, Stewart Anderson wrote:
I got so cheesed off in previous roles that I now say, if you want
me on 24x7 call, you are paying me 24x7, the rate is negotiable!
That's a really good point. The rate should be punitive
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Sent: 01 October 2008 11:51
To: london.pm@london.pm.org
Subject: Re: 24x7 on-call rates
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
On 1 Oct 2008, at 11:04, Stewart Anderson wrote:
I got so cheesed off in previous roles
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:53:07AM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote:
There's also a need for an allowance for simply being on call
You need an allowance for being on call, a per-incident payment, and a
per-hour payment. If you have to work several hours, you need
to get the next day off. IIRC at
Nicholas Clark wrote:
I remember observing that boo.com got part of this wrong (in my opinion) -
for weekends they had a different primary and backup for each of Friday night,
Saturday and Sunday. This meant that at least 1 part of every weekend was
on call, which generally buggered things. So
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:53:07AM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote:
There's also a need for an allowance for simply being on call
You need an allowance for being on call, a per-incident
payment, and a per-hour payment. If you have to work several
hours, you need to get the next day off.
I know this subject has been discussed on the list before, but I can't
seem to figure out the right search terms to find it in the archives,
so I'm going to have to ask again:
My employers are trying to come up with a clear remuneration scheme
for the 24x7 team, after it was accidentally shrouded
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Peter Haworth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know this subject has been discussed on the list before, but I can't
seem to figure out the right search terms to find it in the archives,
so I'm going to have to ask again:
My employers are trying to come up with a
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