On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 01:28:04PM +, robin szemeti wrote:
> no .. he's missed the point.
> he defines a langauge as 'powerful' based on what it can do .. closures,
> continuations, macros etc .. thats bollox
> a closure is worth feck all to customers ...
> Perl::DBI *is* worth something. ..
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:42:51AM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
> So, is Perl part of the "Worse is Better" crowd? Why did the academics
> think that we hadn't done our research? Why can't academics actually
> do something to help the real world rather than play with toy
> languages that nobody actu
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Ivor Williams wrote:
> Then you need the all embracketing perl-to-lisp source code scrunger. Then
> everyone is happy.
Couldn't we just run LISP on parrot (which is probably simplier.) If you
can do that then it's my understanding you could call LISP routines from
perl 6 a
> * robin szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > bah! .. surely you are having a joke? .. Arc got a very warm response it
> > seems .. a new dialect of Lisp for the web .. how .. err .. useful.
> >
> > A new dialect of lisp .. I ask you ...
> >
>
> Ha! You won't be so smug when we are a
* robin szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> bah! .. surely you are having a joke? .. Arc got a very warm response it
> seems .. a new dialect of Lisp for the web .. how .. err .. useful.
>
> A new dialect of lisp .. I ask you ...
>
Ha! You won't be so smug when we are all running super fa
* Paul Mison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > *cough* Xerox Parc Alto vs Apple Macintosh
>
> I'd like to think I was alluding to that process when I was wittering
> about the original mouse, but point taken, and probably one of the
> better case studies of the process (which I hope Greg's recommend
Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> (Oh, and if you don't understand continuations either, I found the best
> thread to follow was the third one (Seth Gordon's) although the second
> (Bruce Lewis's) was also interesting, as it mentioned that Damien had
> previously discussed continuation.)
C
Rob Partington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> robin szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > bah! .. surely you are having a joke? .. Arc got a very warm response it
> > seems .. a new dialect of Lisp for the web .. how .. err .. useful.
>
> http://www.paulgraha
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:05:14PM +, the hatter wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
>
> > :: paul
> > :: not obsessed with macs, oh no
>
> So you won't have any views on the various rumours about what apple are
> going to be announcing, then ?
Yes. It'll be underwhelming, despi
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
> :: paul
> :: not obsessed with macs, oh no
So you won't have any views on the various rumours about what apple are
going to be announcing, then ?
the hatter
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 12:59:23PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 11:02:07AM +, Paul Mison said:
> > > Why did the academics think that we hadn't done our research?
> >
> > Because Dan admitted he actually hadn't done his research? See:
> >
> > http://www.ai.mit.edu/~gr
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robin szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> bah! .. surely you are having a joke? .. Arc got a very warm response it
> seems .. a new dialect of Lisp for the web .. how .. err .. useful.
http://www.paulgraham.com/lib/paulgraham/sec.txt
I don't know about you, bu
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 12:00:58PM +, robin szemeti wrote:
>At the end of the day do we care? no. they can sit in their ivory towers
>mulling over some new construct that no one will ever use whilst ridiculing
>our language, meanwhile 1000's of people are using it every day which
>is
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 11:02:07AM +, Paul Mison said:
> > Why did the academics think that we hadn't done our research?
>
> Because Dan admitted he actually hadn't done his research? See:
>
> http://www.ai.mit.edu/~gregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg00499.html
No, that says that he had done
Paul Mison sent the following bits through the ether:
> Anyway, that's the whole point of academics, to do things that seem
> useless at the time, like building strange wooden boxes with rotation
> monitors and attaching them to computers and calling them 'mice'...
http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cs?
Interesting... My conclusions from reading the write up are slightly
different, in that this is highlighting a culture clash, between academics
and the Perl community.
Do we have any representative in the academic world who are eloquent
speakers? I have a lot of respect for Dan Sugalski, as he is
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> So, is Perl part of the "Worse is Better" crowd? Why did the academics
> think that we hadn't done our research? Why can't academics actually
> do something to help the real world rather than play with toy
> languages that nobody actually uses?
>
I
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Leon Brocard wrote:
> So, is Perl part of the "Worse is Better" crowd? Why did the academics
> think that we hadn't done our research?
It's a clash of cultures. Academics have to justify everything and
explain everything in minute detail. Hand waving is what *we* do.
When
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:42:51AM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
> http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=2287/ddj0202a/0202a.htm
>
> So, is Perl part of the "Worse is Better" crowd?
Evidently. Simon admitted as much, and even if he hadn't, it would be
hard to claim it wasn't. After all, it self-consciousl
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