Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-13 Thread Eden Cardim
David == David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: David nor do I particularly relish having a seperate build of perl David with its own @INC sandbox for every application. David Yes, it is, and I do that. However, you appear to have not David read the bit where I said a

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-13 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:54:38PM -0200, Eden Cardim wrote: David == David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: David nor do I particularly relish having a seperate build of perl David with its own @INC sandbox for every application. Everyone does have every right to arbitrarily

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-12 Thread Mark Morgan
On 10 Jan 2011 22:06, John Imison i...@moe.co.uk wrote: Out of interest, does anyone use CGI::Application? What are the general thoughts on that? I've used in past roles, as a relatively simple dispatcher for web services. Anything more involved than that, and it becomes a but of a pain, not

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-12 Thread Kieren Diment
On 12/01/2011, at 7:26 PM, Mark Morgan wrote: That being said, it's been a couple of years since I last used, so that situation may have changed. Apparently not: Gabor Szabo szabgab at gmail.com wrote: I have been using CGI::Applications for many years. IMHO the biggest problem with it

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-12 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 05:12:55PM -0200, Eden Cardim wrote: David == David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: David You don't have to be in a corporate environment for that to David be a pain in the arse. On my own machines I don't really David want to run the risk that one

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-11 Thread John Imison
On 10/01/2011 10:29 PM, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Out of interest, does anyone use CGI::Application? What are the general thoughts on that? As a dispatcher, it's fine. DBIC+TT+CGI::App is a framework :) Great. I'm glad to hear that some people on here are using it. I've been using

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-11 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, John Imison i...@moe.co.uk wrote: On 10/01/2011 10:29 PM, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Out of interest, does anyone use CGI::Application?  What are  the general thoughts on that? As a dispatcher, it's fine. DBIC+TT+CGI::App is a framework :) Great.  I'm glad

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-11 Thread Zbigniew Lukasiak
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, John Imison i...@moe.co.uk wrote: On 10/01/2011 10:29 PM, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Out of interest, does anyone use CGI::Application?  What are  the general thoughts on that? As a

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-11 Thread Eden Cardim
Simon == Simon Wistow si...@thegestalt.org writes: Simon You can see how I'd be confused given that the docs say Simon Catalyst follows the Model-View-Controller (MVC) design pattern, Simon allowing you to easily separate concerns, like content, presentation, Simon and flow

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:00:39PM +, John Imison wrote: Out of interest, does anyone use CGI::Application? What are the general thoughts on that? I've looked at it, but never used it because it seems utterly pointless. It seems to be a fancy way of writing this ... $actions = { foo =

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:41:02PM +, Peter Edwards wrote: Indeed. I'm in a corporate environment where installing 70+ up to date CPAN modules is a non-trivial requirement. You don't have to be in a corporate environment for that to be a pain in the arse. On my own machines I don't really

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-11 Thread Eden Cardim
David == David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: David You don't have to be in a corporate environment for that to David be a pain in the arse. On my own machines I don't really David want to run the risk that one of those 70+ dependencies will David break something else,

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-11 Thread damien krotkine
On 11 January 2011 20:12, Eden Cardim edencar...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty trivial to build and load perl modules somewhere other than the vendor perl lib directories where they might risk breaking the system. The only real reason you have to stay away from dependencies in a corporate

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-11 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On 11 Jan 2011, at 19:28, damien krotkine wrote: On 11 January 2011 20:12, Eden Cardim edencar...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty trivial to build and load perl modules somewhere other than the vendor perl lib directories where they might risk breaking the system. The only real reason you

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Eden Cardim
Simon == Simon Wistow si...@thegestalt.org writes: Simon In short - I don't really need the CRUD stuff from a Simon framework, I really just need the url based dispatch. I Simon played around with Catalyst (which I'm familiar with from 6A) Simon but it felt like it was a bit of a

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Matt Sergeant
Eden Cardim wrote: Simon == Simon Wistowsi...@thegestalt.org writes: Simon In short - I don't really need the CRUD stuff from a Simon framework, I really just need the url based dispatch. I Simon played around with Catalyst (which I'm familiar with from 6A) Simon but

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Eden Cardim
Matt == Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com writes: Matt But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst. That's hardly the topic at hand. -- Eden Cardim Software Engineer Shadowcat Systems Ltd. http://www.shadowcat.co.uk http://blog.edencardim.com

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread David Precious
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 18:42 -0200, Eden Cardim wrote: Matt == Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com writes: Matt But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst. That's hardly the topic at hand. When the OP is looking for simple frameworks, it's a valid thing to take into

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Simon Wistow
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 08:25:37AM -0200, Eden Cardim said: Simon == Simon Wistow si...@thegestalt.org writes: You got the wrong impression, Catalyst isn't tied to anything, it's just a plugglable/configurable http dispatcher, it's as simple as any of the other perl web frameworks in that

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread John Imison
On 10/01/2011 9:13 PM, David Precious wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 18:42 -0200, Eden Cardim wrote: Matt == Matt Sergeantmserge...@messagelabs.com writes: Matt But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst. That's hardly the topic at hand. When the OP is looking for simple

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On 10 Jan 2011, at 20:42, Eden Cardim wrote: Matt == Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com writes: Matt But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst. That's hardly the topic at hand. Of course it is. Are all the prereqs at the required level out there in the latest RHEL

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On 10 Jan 2011, at 22:00, John Imison wrote: On 10/01/2011 9:13 PM, David Precious wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 18:42 -0200, Eden Cardim wrote: Matt == Matt Sergeantmserge...@messagelabs.com writes: Matt But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst. That's hardly the

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Peter Edwards
Matt == Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com writes: Matt But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst. Indeed. I'm in a corporate environment where installing 70+ up to date CPAN modules is a non-trivial requirement. I needed to update our Twitter feeder recently and

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On 10 Jan 2011, at 22:41, Peter Edwards wrote: Matt == Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com writes: Matt But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst. Indeed. I'm in a corporate environment where installing 70+ up to date CPAN modules is a non-trivial requirement. I

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Denny
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 22:00 +, John Imison wrote: Out of interest, does anyone use CGI::Application? What are the general thoughts on that? It's called Titanium now isn't it? Seemed nice and simple when I last used it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Jesse Vincent
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:55:42PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On 10 Jan 2011, at 22:41, Peter Edwards wrote: Matt == Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com writes: Matt But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst. Indeed. I'm in a corporate environment

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Peter Edwards
On 10 January 2011 22:59, Denny 2...@denny.me wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 22:00 +, John Imison wrote: Out of interest, does anyone use CGI::Application? What are the general thoughts on that? It's called Titanium now isn't it? Seemed nice and simple when I last used it. I'm

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On 10 Jan 2011, at 23:01, Jesse Vincent wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:55:42PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On 10 Jan 2011, at 22:41, Peter Edwards wrote: Matt == Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com writes: Matt But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst.

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread Joel Bernstein
On 6 January 2011 20:04, Simon Wistow si...@thegestalt.org wrote: Before I write my own (or repurpose one of the hundred previosu ones I've written) does anyone have any recommendations? http://perldancer.org/ http://search.cpan.org/~beppu/Squatting/ http://mojolicious.org/ My feeling is that

Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread Simon Wistow
So, it's been a while since I've done any kind of web stuff in Perl (although I was sitting behind Tatsuhiko when he was building the first Plack stuff so I'm at least aware of that). I want to build a web site. In Perl. It needs to be dynamic but it's unlikely to need a database - it will

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:17, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: On 6 January 2011 20:04, Simon Wistow si...@thegestalt.org wrote: Before I write my own (or repurpose one of the hundred previosu ones I've written) does anyone have any recommendations? [...] My feeling is that Dancer probably

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread Richard Huxton
On 06/01/11 19:17, Joel Bernstein wrote: On 6 January 2011 20:04, Simon Wistowsi...@thegestalt.org wrote: Before I write my own (or repurpose one of the hundred previosu ones I've written) does anyone have any recommendations? http://perldancer.org/ I've been using Dancer to stitch

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread Zbigniew Lukasiak
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Simon Wistow si...@thegestalt.org wrote: So, it's been a while since I've done any kind of web stuff in Perl (although I was sitting behind Tatsuhiko when he was building the first Plack stuff so I'm at least aware of that). I want to build a web site. In Perl.

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread Simon Wistow
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 07:04:13PM +, me said: Before I write my own (or repurpose one of the hundred previosu ones I've written) does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks, Dancer looks perfect. Is there a good rule of thumb with these things as to whether something should go in the

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread Zbigniew Lukasiak
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Simon Wistow si...@thegestalt.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 07:04:13PM +, me said: Before I write my own (or repurpose one of the hundred previosu ones I've written) does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks, Dancer looks perfect. Is there a good

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread Simon Wistow
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 08:39:06PM +, me said: with any blurry lines (OAuth support for example) handled using callbacks. Actually, since I'm being lazy - is there a good guide or an example for doing OAuth under Plack / Dancer / Plack+Dancer? I note that there's

Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread David Precious
On Thursday 06 January 2011 19:04:13 Simon Wistow wrote: I want to build a web site. In Perl. It needs to be dynamic but it's unlikely to need a database - it will however be pulling data from another data store and putting stuff into job queues. In short - I don't really need the CRUD stuff