Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread Jeff Tantsura
I’d support publishing it as Experimental. If there’s a consensus that an additional presentation in RTGWG would be useful, Yingzhen and I would consider it. Cheers, Jeff > On Jun 13, 2022, at 12:17, Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: > > Hi Tony, Les, Tom, > > When the WG was focused on this pro

Re: [Lsr] Convergence of Prefixes Unreachable Announcement Proposals

2022-06-13 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi,Peter: Then the final effects of UPA are the followings: 1) If the specified prefix exist, the receiver will delete it upon receiving the UPA message—-But the specified prefix may still be reachable via other summary address. 2)If the specified prefix doesn’t exist, it depends on the local beh

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Tony, Les, Tom, When the WG was focused on this problem space, there was a lot of good work done by the authors, as well as, a lot of WG energy. We had general consensus on a solution that supported both distributed and centralized flooding algorithms. There was also prototyping and impleme

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread Tony Li
Les, > So you are suggesting that we publish something that was never actually > published as an RFC as a "historic RFC"? Yes, I see no point in being indirect. It used to be that the path to publication was brief. We’ve now ossified to the point where a technology can go through an entire

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony - So you are suggesting that we publish something that was never actually published as an RFC as a "historic RFC"? The logic of that escapes me. These days expired drafts are never lost, so if someone wants to resurrect this draft it is certainly possible to do so even if it languishes as

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread Tony Li
Les, The market looked at the technology and decided that it was not interested. If that’s not the definition of ‘obsolete’, I don’t know what is. Tony > On Jun 13, 2022, at 10:27 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > wrote: > > Tony - > > "Historic" is for > > " A specification that has been

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony - "Historic" is for " A specification that has been superseded by a more recent specification or is for any other reason considered to be obsolete..." Hard to see how that applies here. Although I appreciate Tom's concern, the fact that we may not be clear on how to transition from Ex

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread Tony Li
Tom, In this particular case, I believe the choices are Experimental or Historic. I’m fine with either. T > On Jun 13, 2022, at 8:43 AM, tom petch wrote: > > From: Lsr on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee) > > Sent: 10 June 2022 15:10 > > Initially, there was a lot interest and energy in red

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread Tony Przygienda
there should be a preso this ietf in rtg wg showing a framework that can be used to evaluate such questions. if time permits (per Jeff). tony On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:43 PM tom petch wrote: > From: Lsr on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee) 40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org> > Sent: 10 June 2022 15:10 > >

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread tom petch
From: Lsr on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: 10 June 2022 15:10 Initially, there was a lot interest and energy in reducing the flooding overhead in dense drafts. Now, it seems the interest and energy has waned. IMO, this draft contains some very valuable extensions to the IGPs. I discussed

Re: [Lsr] Convergence of Prefixes Unreachable Announcement Proposals

2022-06-13 Thread Peter Psenak
Aijun, On 13/06/2022 15:08, Aijun Wang wrote: Hi, Peter: Here I want to ask you one question: If the specified detailed prefix doesn’t exist in the receiver’s route table, what the receiver will do when it receives the UPA information of this specified prefix? it's up to the receiver to pr

Re: [Lsr] Convergence of Prefixes Unreachable Announcement Proposals

2022-06-13 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Peter: Here I want to ask you one question: If the specified detailed prefix doesn’t exist in the receiver’s route table, what the receiver will do when it receives the UPA information of this specified prefix? Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Jun 10, 2022, at 23:16, Peter Psenak wrote: > >