Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Hi Tim, Robert, Thanks a lot for your comments. Regarding the idea of using BGP-LS for troubleshooting, we have also considered the possible pros and cons. BGP-LS is initially proposed for carrying link state information using BGP, and is currently used for applications like topology visualizat

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Hi Greg, Jeff, Acee, Robert Wilton, Einar, and anyone who has concern with NMP vs. gRPC/YANG, thanks for your interest in our draft and your valuable comments. Regarding this question, we’d like to state the following two points. 1. Control plane (CP) and management plane (MP) information

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

> But I guess we all agree that this is not the best use of BGP protocol to > be now a vehicle of NMS only because it is easy with BGP to establish a TCP > session and to distribute "stuff" in a relatively loop free fashion. now that dns over tcp/tls is being deployed, we can return to the other o

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Tim, I already suggested use of BGP-LS *as-is* in this thread on Jul 6th. But I guess we all agree that this is not the best use of BGP protocol to be now a vehicle of NMS only because it is easy with BGP to establish a TCP session and to distribute "stuff" in a relatively loop free fashion. Thx

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Hi Robin, Yunan, Shunwan, I'm a little late to this thread due to being preoccupied with a newborn. Below are my comments, which take into consideration the other comments… sans the YANG/telemetry debate. Considering we do use BGP-LS extensively, I don't think YANG is the only solution to thes

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Randy, Is the OPS-NM Configuration Management Requirements (ops-nm) Bof from IETF 52 (10 December 2001) the meeting you were thinking of? There are also references to an IAB meeting in 2002 about the lack of use of SNMP for network configuration in

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

robin, i am not ignoring you. i did not want to write unless i had something possibly useful to say; and that requires pretending to think, always difficult. > I would also like to propose following draft for your reference which > trigger us to move forward for better network maintenance with >

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

, 2018 5:15 AM To: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Lizhenbin ; g...@ietf.org; ops...@ietf.org Cc: lsr@ietf.org; rt...@ietf.org; Guyunan (Yunan Gu, IP Technology Research Dept. NW) Subject: Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

NW) Subject: Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt Robin, Pretty much same comment as Acee - I'm not clear as to why... Protocol YANG models developed in the last years clearly provide much better and more scalable

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

robin, > It is not described clearly in the draft that reusing BMP is also a > possible option for monitoring IGP. We will refine the draft. if i could also use bmp for monitoring dns, smtp, and ntp, i could stop using nagios! i think what acee is trying to say is that "B" in BMP does not stan

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

.org; Guyunan (Yunan Gu, IP Technology Research Dept. NW) Subject: Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt Robin, Pretty much same comment as Acee - I'm not clear as to why... Protocol YANG models developed in the l

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Hi Robin, On 7/5/18, 6:35 AM, "Lizhenbin" wrote: Hi Acee, It is not described clearly in the draft that reusing BMP is also a possible option for monitoring IGP. We will refine the draft. It doesn't matter where you put it, it is still an alternate paradigm for IS-IS management.

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt Robin, Pretty much same comment as Acee - I'm not clear as to why... Protocol YANG models developed in the last years clearly provide much better and more scalable approach to what has been proposed in the

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Hi Acee, It is not described clearly in the draft that reusing BMP is also a possible option for monitoring IGP. We will refine the draft. Expect to have more discussion with you in IETF 102. Thanks, Robin -Original Message- From: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:a...@cisco.com] Sent: W

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Robin, Pretty much same comment as Acee - I'm not clear as to why... Protocol YANG models developed in the last years clearly provide much better and more scalable approach to what has been proposed in the draft, since we are talking is-is - look at notifications in draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Hi Robin, I'm not arguing to deprecate BMP. What I am arguing is that the fact that BMP was created 15 years ago doesn't necessarily mean we should create an analogous IMP for IS-IS given the current IETF OPS technologies and the fact that faster link speeds and Moore's law facilitate deploymen

Re: [Lsr] [GROW] FW: New Version Notification for draft-gu-network-mornitoring-protol-00.txt

Hi Acee, Thank for your attention to the new draft. Please refer to my reply inline. Best Regards, Robin -Original Message- From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 9:24 PM To: Guyunan (Yunan Gu, IP Technology Research Dep