Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-06 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Στις 06/01/2014 01:12 μμ, ο/η rkwesk_ltsp έγραψε: > To maximise the benefit of the clients all connecting with the server > the > following options (in order of better benefit before lesser) are: > > 1 - disable hardware flow control (if possible) on the server's > gigabyte nic. > 2 - disable hardw

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-06 Thread rkwesk_ltsp
On 2014-01-05 11:20, Ben Green wrote: > Quoting "Luis A. Guzmán García" : > >> >> So, bottom line. >> >> On a healthy LTSP network the data flow should be controlled/limited >> so >> it can perform better, taking advantage of the TPC/IP avoiding the >> buffer jamming on the switch, server or clien

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-05 Thread Ben Green
Quoting "Luis A. Guzmán García" : > > So, bottom line. > > On a healthy LTSP network the data flow should be controlled/limited so > it can perform better, taking advantage of the TPC/IP avoiding the > buffer jamming on the switch, server or clients. > > Right? Yep. Providing an easy way to do th

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-04 Thread Luis A.
El sáb, 04-01-2014 a las 08:14 +0200, Alkis Georgopoulos escribió: > Στις 04/01/2014 01:36 πμ, ο/η rkwesk_ltsp έγραψε: > > Or are you saying that when the disabling of hardware flow control is > > not an option then one should limit the rate of the data? > > > Yup. So, bottom line. On a healt

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-04 Thread Luis A . Guzmán G .
Alkis Georgopoulos wrote: >Στις 04/01/2014 01:36 πμ, ο/η rkwesk_ltsp έγραψε: >> Or are you saying that when the disabling of hardware flow control is > >> not an option then one should limit the rate of the data? > > >Yup. So, Bottom line. On a healty LTSP network is always preffered to limit

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-03 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Στις 04/01/2014 01:36 πμ, ο/η rkwesk_ltsp έγραψε: > Or are you saying that when the disabling of hardware flow control is > not an option then one should limit the rate of the data? Yup. -- Rapidly troubleshoot problem

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-03 Thread rkwesk_ltsp
On 2014-01-03 18:08, Alkis Georgopoulos wrote: > Στις 03/01/2014 02:35 μμ, ο/η Alkis Georgopoulos έγραψε: >> I think that the best solution would be to limit the rate of the >> data >> that the server sends to the clients (X, NBD, SSHFS/NFS...) to e.g. >> 90 >> Mbps per client at the TCP level, p

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-03 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Στις 03/01/2014 02:35 μμ, ο/η Alkis Georgopoulos έγραψε: > I think that the best solution would be to limit the rate of the data > that the server sends to the clients (X, NBD, SSHFS/NFS...) to e.g. 90 > Mbps per client at the TCP level, probably using iptables and tc. > Yup, success! I verified

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-03 Thread Peter Billson
E Kogler wrote: > My option would be to force the gigabitport to 100MBit :-) > Edgar- The TCP/IP protocol has flow control "built in." If the sender is sending too fast, the receiver will tell it to slow down. There really is

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-03 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
I think the main question left is: what can we do if Ethernet flow control *cannot* be disabled in either the server NIC or the switch? (e.g. many Realtek or Atheros -based NICs and switches don't have flow control configurable). I think that the best solution would be to limit the rate of the da

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-03 Thread Jakob Unterwurzacher
On 03.01.2014 12:24, E Kogler wrote: > My option would be to force the gigabitport to 100MBit :-) > Edgar > > > > The issue here is that the buffer on the switch fills from data from > its giga port > while data is more slowly released through its 100 Mbps ports. What is > hoped is that > with flow

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-03 Thread E Kogler
My option would be to force the gigabitport to 100MBit :-) Edgar-- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects th

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-03 Thread rkwesk_ltsp
On 2014-01-02 14:11, E Kogler wrote: > I don't think disabling flow-control is a good idea. > Flow-control enables the two different ports (100 MBit and GigaBit) > to > communicate without loss of packets. > Modern switches adapt the speed of their ports to the speed of the > port connected. > (i.

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-02 Thread E Kogler
I don't think disabling flow-control is a good idea.Flow-control enables the two different ports (100 MBit and GigaBit) to communicate without loss of packets.Modern switches adapt the speed of their ports to the speed of the port connected.(i.e you could even connect a 10 MBit Port )Or to be p

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2014-01-02 Thread rkwesk_ltsp
On 2013-12-30 13:39, Jakob Unterwurzacher wrote: > On 29.12.2013 01:21, rkwesk_ltsp wrote: >> >> As the switch's port to the client is also 100 Mps I think the >> client's >> 100mps nic cannot be overloaded >> per se. However, a fellow member of this list, alkisg, has since >> explained to me that

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2013-12-30 Thread Jakob Unterwurzacher
On 29.12.2013 01:21, rkwesk_ltsp wrote: > > As the switch's port to the client is also 100 Mps I think the client's > 100mps nic cannot be overloaded > per se. However, a fellow member of this list, alkisg, has since > explained to me that the buffer on the > switch will fill up since it is receivi

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2013-12-28 Thread rkwesk_ltsp
On 2013-12-28 22:18, Jakob Unterwurzacher wrote: > On 28.12.2013 12:18, rkwesk_ltsp wrote: >> I thought I had this figured out but I'd like to confirm: >> >> Configuration 1 >> >> unmanaged switch w 1 giga port and 16 100 ports not connected >> directly >> w router >> Server with two nics, one gig

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2013-12-28 Thread Jakob Unterwurzacher
On 28.12.2013 12:18, rkwesk_ltsp wrote: > I thought I had this figured out but I'd like to confirm: > > Configuration 1 > > unmanaged switch w 1 giga port and 16 100 ports not connected directly > w router > Server with two nics, one gigabit to giga port on switch and one 100 > bit to router direct

[Ltsp-discuss] flow control revisited

2013-12-28 Thread rkwesk_ltsp
I thought I had this figured out but I'd like to confirm: Configuration 1 unmanaged switch w 1 giga port and 16 100 ports not connected directly w router Server with two nics, one gigabit to giga port on switch and one 100 bit to router directly. Clients, mixed thin and fat but all with 100 bit