Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Warren Togami
On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 22:25, Jimen Ching wrote: or Openly Sourced. It would be an equal shame to see OpenSourceAdvocates fail to take their message to the free market and allow it to compete on its merits. Can either you or Warren explain how these legislation prevent Open Source or Free

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread James A. Stroble
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 11:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Warren 100% on this one. It is silly to say that open source would be competing on its own merits if you force everyone to use it. That's a dictatorship of sorts. Its like saying Sadam Housein is a great leader because he is

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Warren Togami
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 12:44, James A. Stroble wrote: tied up in proprietary formats. As well, a government must be able to ascertain the integrity of the data it uses, which again means that it should have access to the source code of the programs that process that data. It is not surprising

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Eric Hattemer
Wow, these are all excellent points that I didn't even consider when I sent in my last post. However, it is also true that even without having the source handy, an organization with enough resources can do stack traces and network monitoring to make sure no spyware or anything exists in a

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Jimen Ching
On 12 Oct 2002, Warren Togami wrote: 2) By outright banning proprietary software, we didn't compete based on merit. Instead we used non-technical means to negate the competition process. I'd rather win fairly, and people choose our software sincerely. Point of advice; if a professor asks you to

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Jimen Ching
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, R. Scott Belford wrote: Can either you or Warren explain how these legislation prevent Open Source or Free Software from competing on their merits? I can't because it doesn't. I can say that efforts on such legislation are wasted. These efforts would be, as my post

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Jimen Ching
On 13 Oct 2002, Warren Togami wrote: Microsoft Word .DOC files from government is completely unacceptable, even though OpenOffice works fine. Again, the issue is what is the goal of the legislation? Is it to find the superior wordprocessor that can open a .doc file? Or is the goal to create

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Warren Togami
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 15:45, Jimen Ching wrote: I am curious. What do you and Warren believe is the goal of these efforts? It seems like both of your are stuck on this 'compete on merits' issue. It is hard for me to believe the _government_ cares about such things. I hope this issue does

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Jimen Ching
On 13 Oct 2002, Eric Hattemer wrote: However, it is also true that even without having the source handy, an organization with enough resources can do stack traces and network monitoring to make sure no spyware or anything exists in a product. Would this be the best way to approach security? It

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-12 Thread Jimen Ching
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, R. Scott Belford wrote: or Openly Sourced. It would be an equal shame to see OpenSourceAdvocates fail to take their message to the free market and allow it to compete on its merits. Can either you or Warren explain how these legislation prevent Open Source or Free Software