Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-17 Thread tom_gordon
CTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff... Now this thread has confused me. What is XOR an acronym for? Tom, does the phrase "YOUR ANAL" translates to "you are not a lawyer", or "you are extremely retentive?" --scott __

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-17 Thread R.Scott Belford
On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 10:08 AM, Gary Dunn wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:21:54 -0900 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to realize that the validity of GPL is closely tied to the notion of shrink-wrap licenses. IANAL, but I believe both are based on copyright law. YOUR ANAL!? I see

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-17 Thread Gary Dunn
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:21:54 -0900 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >We need to realize that the validity of GPL is closely tied to the > > >notion of shrink-wrap licenses. > > > > IANAL, but I believe both are based on copyright law. > > YOUR ANAL!? I see. This must skew your thought somewhat on s

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-17 Thread tom_gordon
YOUR ANAL!? I see. This must skew your thought somewhat on such matters. Tom Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff... On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: >We need

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-16 Thread Jimen Ching
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: >We need to realize that the validity of GPL is closely tied to the >notion of shrink-wrap licenses. IANAL, but I believe both are based on copyright law. >First, since there are no face-to-face negotiations, do you really need >to abide by the t

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-16 Thread Warren Togami
Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: Warren Togami wrote: SCO We need to realize that the validity of GPL is closely tied to the notion of shrink-wrap licenses. There are two important issues. First, since there are no face-to-face negotiations, do you really need to abide by the terms of GPL

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-16 Thread Hawaii Linux Institute
Warren Togami wrote: SCO We need to realize that the validity of GPL is closely tied to the notion of shrink-wrap licenses. There are two important issues. First, since there are no face-to-face negotiations, do you really need to abide by the terms of GPL and open your source code? If y

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-15 Thread Jimen Ching
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, R.Scott Belford wrote: >If intellectual property is not of paramount importance, then GPL >software is viable. It all comes down to how one wishes to >differentiate his product/service. If service/support/implementation >are the strengths and revenue-generators of a company,

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-15 Thread R.Scott Belford
On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 06:34 AM, Vince Hoang wrote: Cautious vendors that are concerned with intellectual property do not need avoid using open-source until a legal precedence is set with the GPL. For lots of GPL software, there is usually a BSD equivalent. The folks at Lavanet hav

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-15 Thread tom_gordon
or LGPL Moo Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff... Cautious vendors that are concerned with intellectual property do not need avoid using open-source until a legal precedence is

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-15 Thread Vince Hoang
Cautious vendors that are concerned with intellectual property do not need avoid using open-source until a legal precedence is set with the GPL. For lots of GPL software, there is usually a BSD equivalent. -Vince

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-14 Thread Jimen Ching
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Warren Togami wrote: >GPL disallows dynamic and static linking of closed source stuff I think you're making a common mistake that many new readers of the GPL make, which is--the license doesn't specify what is allowed or disallowed. What it does specify is, if you do A, you mu

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-14 Thread Warren Togami
Jimen Ching wrote: This is not entirely accurate. IIRC Linus Torvalds made the linux kernel "GPL with one exception", that exception is binary-only modules are allowed (but generally frowned upon). Normally the GPL disallows keeping source code closed even if you dynamically link to it, and cas

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-14 Thread Jimen Ching
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Warren Togami wrote: >This is not entirely accurate. IIRC Linus Torvalds made the linux >kernel "GPL with one exception", that exception is binary-only modules >are allowed (but generally frowned upon). > >Normally the GPL disallows keeping source code closed even if you >dyna

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-14 Thread Warren Togami
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 08:28, Charles Lockhart wrote: > Links to the docs/articles I was reading are: > http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/14/cz_dl_1014linksys.html http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031014204258580 Read Groklaw's response to this Forbes article. This quote below is the key par

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-14 Thread Warren Togami
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. The below is only what I think is true based upon stuff I have read. Some of that was on Slashdot, so do check your own facts and get a real lawyer. Jimen Ching wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Charles Lockhart wrote: q1. It makes sense to me that software compan

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-14 Thread Jimen Ching
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Charles Lockhart wrote: >q1. It makes sense to me that software companies that want to integrate >GPL'd code should have to follow the GPL ruling that the derivative >source has to be released with the product. I think it makes it tough >on companies, but if they want the "fre

Re: [luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-14 Thread kmayer
Charles Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > q1. ... What I'm not understanding is the context for this case: the > code is running on Linksys routers, it's not like they're releasing a > software product. It's an integrated package, the software in > question wouldn't be run by a user. Ultimat

[luau] that crazy GPL stuff...

2003-10-14 Thread Charles Lockhart
I read the Forbes article referenced at slashdot about the FSF going after Cisco/Linksys/Broadcom (or something like it), and got a little confused, had a couple of questions that I couldn't quite figure out from reading other stuff. q1. It makes sense to me that software companies that want t