Re: Wire strings

2004-11-28 Thread ferengizâde daniêl shawqy
Urmawy unambigiously describes a psaltery with twisted copper-wire strings in the second half of the 13th cent. c.e. which does not seem to have been a novelty. What were the early clavichords (as in Zwolle) strung with? I would assume keyboard makers have established the early history of their str

Re: Broken string

2004-11-28 Thread Howard Posner
Caroline Chamberlain wrote: > Sorry, I should have said...fourth course, F below middle C and I was using > an electronic keyboard as reference for the note. (I also have a > guitar/bass guitar tuner, but it doesn't do F.) The string was fine metal > wound around something, not gut. Fortunately, I

Mildly humorous

2004-11-28 Thread Craig Robert Pierpont
A man stumbled into the emergency room dressed in a medieval bard's outfit, clutching his stomach with one hand and moaning in agony. With his free hand he was clutching a lute, which he dropped on the floor in front of the nurse's station. He then collapsed in a heap on the floor, rolled hi

Re: Broken string

2004-11-28 Thread Howard Posner
Caroline Chamberlain wrote: > I should like some practical advice, please, because I don't > understand why I broke the string. I was trying to tune it to F Fourth course f below middle C? or something else? What was the string made of? HP To get on or off this list see list information at

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-28 Thread Howard Posner
Tony Chalkley wrote: > Just an idea that I wouldn't know how to put into practice - they couldn't > have roped but left a finer "tail" to go through the hole, could they? I'm > thinking of a make of guitar and bass strings where only the core lies on > the saddle and of course piano strings. > >

re: Wire strings

2004-11-28 Thread David Cameron
Leonard Williams wrote: "...Since the harp strings are not stopped (except on rare occasions), would the string need to be perfectly true? ..." I haven't given the matter any rigorous thought, but I've assumed any string would have to be fairly uniform throughout its vibrating length to produce a

R: Broken string

2004-11-28 Thread Francesco Tribioli
Dear Caroline, without knowing the length of the string it's impossible to say if it's tuned too high. In any case an early break might depend on many parameters. One of them is humidity. It weaks a lot gut strings and they broke a lot early. Or it might be a defective string. Eventually ev

R: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-28 Thread Francesco Tribioli
Dear Martin, > > I agree completely that the sources suggest even "feel" > across the strings, and 13N or whatever is implausibly > low. I don't know how to resolve the apparently > impossible combination of clear, stiff, non-roped, > non-loaded strings thin enough to go through bridge > holes,

Dawn Culbertson

2004-11-28 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Ed, It is certainly sad news that Dawn Culbertson has died. I never met her, but I enjoyed reading her contributions to this list. She combined a love of the lute and its music with common sense. Typical was her attitude to piped music in public places, expressed in her message to this list o

Broken string

2004-11-28 Thread Caroline Chamberlain
Dear Lute Listers I obtained my first lute a couple of weeks ago and have just broken a string. There has been a lot of technical stuff about strings on the discussion list in recent times, but to be honest, such technicalities are beyond me. I should like some practical advice, please, becaus

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-28 Thread LGS-Europe
> So we are left with some very difficult problems. I'm glad that more > people > are now taking the debate seriously - who knows, we might end up with some > decent (and historically plausible) lute strings... > > Best wishes, > > Martin > > P.S. But I'd settle for just "decent". Actually, I fi

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-28 Thread Tony Chalkley
When someone finds out out how to string the things I might think about it. T(op) C(at) - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tony Chalkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: Re: thoughts on

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
> > Anyway, I don't care - I haven't even got a baroque lute;-) Shame on you! RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-28 Thread Tony Chalkley
Just an idea that I wouldn't know how to put into practice - they couldn't have roped but left a finer "tail" to go through the hole, could they? I'm thinking of a make of guitar and bass strings where only the core lies on the saddle and of course piano strings. You may argue that there is a sli

lutenists in the vicinity of Zurich

2004-11-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
A muscovite friend (a professional singer) who lives in Zurich loves the lute and is looking for a lutenist to work with. Anyone in Zurich or within a SHORT commuting distance out there? Write off list. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv To get on or off this list se

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-28 Thread James A Stimson
Dear Ed and all: Michael Praetorius, in his "Syntagma Musicum" of 1618/19, includes a picture (Plate XX) of a bass viola with what look like roped fifth and sixth strings. His theorbos do not appear to have roped bass strings. Yours, Jim

Re: more lieder

2004-11-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
Mathias Rösel has graciously contributed 2 songs from Walter Gerwig's collections (11-course accompaniments) to http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html Anyone else has something interesting to share? RT > "Der Müllerin Verrat", a Romanze by Goethe & Reichardt, for bass and > baroque lute >

solo cds by Toyohiko Satoh

2004-11-28 Thread LGS-Europe
To answer questions about other solo cds by Toyohiko Satoh that the LGS sells, I have made a small web page advertising all we have in stock. Go to our website Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/lgs/ and find 'CDs by Toyohiko Satoh' in the left collumn. Enjoy David *

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-28 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Francesco, I agree completely that the sources suggest even "feel" across the strings, and 13N or whatever is implausibly low. I don't know how to resolve the apparently impossible combination of clear, stiff, non-roped, non-loaded strings thin enough to go through bridge holes, and reaso

Re: Wire strings

2004-11-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
> This thread started in reference to the possibility of medieval luthiers > making/using wire strings for _harps_. Since the harp strings are not stopped > (except on rare occasions), would the string need to be perfectly true? Also, > in a case like this, we're not talking about kms of uniform

re: Wire strings

2004-11-28 Thread arckon
This thread started in reference to the possibility of medieval luthiers making/using wire strings for _harps_. Since the harp strings are not stopped (except on rare occasions), would the string need to be perfectly true? Also, in a case like this, we're not talking about kms of uniform wi

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-28 Thread Ed Durbrow
At 9:38 AM -0600 11/27/04, Edward Martin wrote: >the sources never mention roped >gut. I can imagine that roping gut is a modern invention, rather than a >historical fact. I have found the same results with roping, that it gives >a rather dull sound. The lower tension solution seems to be logica

Re: Dawn Culbertson

2004-11-28 Thread Sal Salvaggio
Ed, It is sad to hear of Dawn's passing. I met her at a LSA seminar many years ago. She was enthusiastic about the lute and it's music. A devoted advocate for our beloved instrument. She will be missed. Sal Salvaggio __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet t