[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread David Tayler
In the 50s, 60s and 70s lutanist was common, now lutenist is more common; they are both correct as far as both modern and historical use. I don't usually hyphenate lute player, except as an attributive (lute-player leftovers, etc) but that is taste. Anyway it can't be luteplayer, except in email

[LUTE] Re: uenos Aires Madrigal Video

2008-03-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[LUTE] Re: Lutanist mayhem (was) Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
Must be some scandihoovian influence! RT From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for the interesting story, Art! ed At 10:22 AM 3/4/2008 -0500, Arthur Ness wrote: There was a time when "lutanist" seems to have been the accepted spelling, although it makes me wince every time I see it

[LUTE] Re: Lutanist mayhem (was) Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Arthur Ness
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[LUTE] Re: Lutanist mayhem (was) Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Edward Martin
Thanks for the interesting story, Art! ed At 10:22 AM 3/4/2008 -0500, Arthur Ness wrote: >There was a time when "lutanist" seems to have been the accepted >spelling, although it makes me wince every time I see it. It was >a spelling that appeared in very respectable publications (NY >Times, Musi

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-04 Thread Nck Gravestock
Interestingly, my first guitar teacher was Carl Shavitz, now a master baker I believe, and he had at least two lutes by Rubio, a 13 course and I think an 8 course. It is thirty five years since I saw them but I recall them as very light in build, with tied frets and no raised sound board and a trad

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread vance wood
Humm?? Would that make a trombone player a tromboner? A piccolo player a piccoloist or maybe a picolist might be better. - Original Message - From: "Steve Bryson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute list" Cc: "Steve Bryson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread G. Crona
Dowland used the citation to make his point in the forword to A Pilgrims Solace, as Harwood points out in his article. G. - Original Message - From: "Andrew Gibbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "G. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lute Net" Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re:

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread dc
Tony Chalkley Ecrit: >Lutenist and lute-player are fine by me. "Luthiste" is French, and >Lutanist is just bad spelling, I think. OED lutanist, lutenist. Also 7 lutonist, 7=AD8, (9 arch.) lutinist. A lute-player. 1600 J. Dowland 2nd Bk. Songs title-p., Batchelor of Musick, and Lutenist to the Ki

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Steve Bryson
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the following, which I've had thrown at me several times over the years by various [EMAIL PROTECTED]: a flute player is called a "flautist" implies a lute player is called a "lautist" (always carefully pronounced "loutist"). The above syllogism is always sta

[LUTE] Re: Ode for St Cecilia's Day

2008-03-04 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 12:52 PM 3/2/2008, LGS-Europe wrote: >Are wrote: > >>>Mozart added a lute part to the flute ad libitum in the end: more broken >>>chords. >> >>I guess this is Mozart's collected output of lute music!? > >Three songs with mandolin. Does that qualify? ..Or, more specifically, the canzonetta from

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Charles Browne
It is worth reading his article. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gibbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 March 2008 13:26 To: Charles Browne Cc: Lute Net Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Etymology I haven't heard that distinction applied to any other musical instrument... Andrew On 4 Mar 20

[LUTE] Re: Lutanist mayhem (was) Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread David Rastall
On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Arthur Ness wrote: > Alemani (you don't want to read the description of what he did to > some poor soul in Florence). Yes I do. What did he do? David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

[LUTE] Lutanist mayhem (was) Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Arthur Ness
There was a time when "lutanist" seems to have been the accepted spelling, although it makes me wince every time I see it. It was a spelling that appeared in very respectable publications (NY Times, Musical Times, Donna Curry). Perhaps lasting into the 1950s and 60s. I saw the spelling used as l

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Andrew Gibbs
The cowl doesn't make the monarchy either - certainly not with our ridiculous royal family. But what's the connection with Dowland? Andrew On 4 Mar 2008, at 13:57, G. Crona wrote: Sorry: I meant "monachum" G. "Cucullus non facit Monarchum" Dowland - Original Message - From: "

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread G. Crona
Sorry: I meant "monachum" G. - Original Message - From: "Andrew Gibbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Charles Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lute Net" Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Etymology I haven't heard that distinction applied to any other musical inst

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread G. Crona
"Cucullus non facit Monarchum" Dowland - Original Message - From: "Andrew Gibbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Charles Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lute Net" Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Etymology I haven't heard that distinction applied to any other mu

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Andrew Gibbs
I haven't heard that distinction applied to any other musical instrument... Andrew On 4 Mar 2008, at 13:08, Charles Browne wrote: Ian Harwood (The Lute Vol 37 -1997) argued that only those who compose for the lute can call themselves lutenists and if you only play the instrment you are

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Sean Smith
Since I 'borrow' frequently from non-lute sources, I don't mind "luter". However, I think it best not to advertise this during power failures. respectfully, Sean On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:08 AM, Charles Browne wrote: Ian Harwood (The Lute Vol 37 -1997) argued that only those who compose for the

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Charles Browne
Ian Harwood (The Lute Vol 37 -1997) argued that only those who compose for the lute can call themselves lutenists and if you only play the instrment you are a lute-player. Charles -Original Message- From: Rob MacKillop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 March 2008 12:56 To: G. Crona Cc: Lu

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Rob MacKillop
And Lutar is Scots... Rob On 04/03/2008, G. Crona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I small question. > > To describe a person playing the lute, I've come across: > > Lutenist > Lutist > Lutanist > Lute-player > > Which is (are) the correct one (s)? All of them? > > G. > > > > To get on or off thi

[LUTE] Re: Etymology

2008-03-04 Thread Tony Chalkley
Lutenist and lute-player are fine by me. "Luthiste" is French, and Lutanist is just bad spelling, I think. tony - Original Message - From: "G. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: [LUTE] Etymology I small question. To describe a person pl

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-04 Thread Anthony Hind
Considering the influence that Julian Bream had on many modern lutists, it would probably best for such a lute to go to a museum. There are several such non-authentic lutes in the Paris Music museum. As to the musicality of the instrument, Jakob Lindberg in the Lute Quaterly says that he inte