[LUTE] Re: ideo

2008-09-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I was a student, I experimented with different tunings on the guitar, and composed a number of pieces in the tuning e', b, g, d, G, C, (or fefhh as players in the 17th century would have described it). I found that different tunings made the instrument sound different, that certain

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread Andrew Gibbs
The original lute tutors consistently recommend playing close to the bridge - with the pinkie very close to the bridge - or even on or behind the bridge. Taking into account the possible differences between modern and historical strings, this still seems to indicate 16th c taste (early 16th c at

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread Edward Martin
Andrew, Yes, it seems obvious that players, at least later in the baroque period, used a technique as you are describing. Actually, I think you have an assumption that they were after a sharper, more pungent sound. Toyohiko has shown the contrary. He plays with a historical technique, close

[LUTE] Re: Microphone [Scanned]

2008-09-25 Thread Narada
I think one of the reasons why there are no published figures for noise for the BR1600 is that it has noise suppression filters built in it also has a full range of pre-amps too. I wasn't aware that 16 bit or 24 bit made such a difference when recording. Then again I haven't recorded anything from

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread chriswilke
Andrew, I tend to agree with what the tutors recommend. (I don't know if I would use the words sharp or pungent to describe it, however.) There is also such circumstantial evidence as Capirola's advice to set your frets so that they actually buzz against the strings and the description of

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread Sauvage Valéry
Could you please name the tutors telling to play so close to the bridge ? and the iconographical evidence (yes there is some but not so much...) And the other evidence (speak with some luthiers) is to try to play the strings in different places and hear where sound is the best (objectively, not

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread Andrew Gibbs
Yes you're right, sharp and pungent is overstating it - brightness is a good way of putting it. Or perhaps pluckier? as in the old lute- stop-on-harpsichords argument. But to argue against myself there's lots of iconographical evidence for lutenists not playing close to the bridge... On 25 Sep

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread howard posner
On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Sauvage Valéry wrote: And the other evidence (speak with some luthiers) is to try to play the strings in different places and hear where sound is the best (objectively, not just as an idea of your ideal sound) Of couse it depends on the lute, strings and

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread Andrew Gibbs
Hello Valery Thomas Mace for sure. I'm fairly sure Marin Mersenne and Mary Burwell. Now I was sure Gerle said something like 'plant the 4th and the 5th finger on the soundboard close to the bridge' - but on checking I find he actually says 'place the little finger and the ringfinger on

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Valery, I was going to ask the same question about which tutors advocate playing close to the bridge... I remember something like that but in the baroque period, not in the renaissance, and it seems that the increasing number of strings/courses influenced the right hand position and that

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread Sauvage Valéry
There's no such thing as sound that's objectively best. As soon as you say best you've eliminated objectivity from consideration. Well I'm not with you on this point... If you can't hear where the instrument is best sounding... and best can be objective (ask some acoustician specialists

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread Guy Smith
A better example of a buzzy would be a bray harp, which were fairly common in the Renaissance. I know several folks who own them, although I've never actually seen them engage the bray pegs... IIRC Crawford Young said that he is having a bray lute built, since there is apparently some evidence

[LUTE] how in tune is in tune?

2008-09-25 Thread Michael Gillespie
Friends, I have been milling this idea around for a few days now --- my music history teacher said something like bach would roll over in his grave to hear one of his violin sonatas performed on a modern violin... something like that --- he was referring to the ability of the

[LUTE] Re: The Pauper Prince

2008-09-25 Thread Edward Martin
Art, This is truly a fascinating story about a man whose family has a direct connection to our lute music. Many thanks! ed At 08:51 PM 9/25/2008 -0400, Arthur Ness wrote: I'm always somewhat amused by the travails of Bill Lobkowitz, a Boston real estate agent, and a third-generation American

[LUTE] How much?

2008-09-25 Thread Josh Horn
Guys, I just bought a Middle Eastern Oud, How similar are these instruments to their European counterparts? I've had some expirence with the Oud, but little with Lutes. I'm still trying to learn. :) Josh --- Joshua Edward Horn Sales Associate ; Radio Shack --