[LUTE] Re: my first video

2009-01-30 Thread Peter Nightingale
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, David van Ooijen wrote: >> It is very zen, You can say that azen! I have been doing zen breaths ever since David posted this, but viewing his firt video is still a distant dream. Clicking on http://wm1.avro.jet-stream.nl/avro/web/klassiek/090125_spiegelzaal.wmv renders Sa

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Neusidler

2009-01-30 Thread Richard Yates
Perhaps it was overlooked in the surge of new threads, or maybe my question was just an uninteresting one with an obvious solution, but any response to the example I found below about the mysterious Melchior eleventh fret would be much appreciated. RY >I ran across another spot that confounds the

[LUTE] Re: bel

2009-01-30 Thread David Tayler
I had a similar shock the first time I played Les Indes of Rameau with Jordi, it was the original, and the bass line was BARITONE clef, and there were figures above the line AND below the line. Yikes! And the Rondeax, yes, it is a frog in a blender. dt At 03:04 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote: >On Fri,

[LUTE] Re: bel

2009-01-30 Thread David van Ooijen
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:30 PM, howard posner wrote: > > On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:03 AM, mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: > >> it's amazing to me, indeed, how a baroque piece that starts with a 7th >>in the opening chord, comes to your mind just like that. > > It starts with a tone cluster, an

[LUTE] Re: my first video

2009-01-30 Thread David van Ooijen
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:41 PM, David Tayler wrote: > I mean the audience sees a sign at the entrance: that says it is > being recorded. .. > It is very zen, the whole sign thing. Not much Zen in this case, all very down to earth. Everyone knew it was being recorded, as it was live on TV. The t

[LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-30 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Mathias, So lets to the point and your Allemande. I don't pretend my method is right but if I'd have such a problem for the first time I'd first chack the source as I do not always trust the CNRS editions wich I just catched.The volume was published in 1972, the 'Tableau des signes de

[LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-30 Thread David Tayler
>Absolutely--I'm not claiming to be an expert, I have just read all >the literature and all the sources. Open dialogue is the way to go! dt >I didn't mean to ask David Tayler exclusively because I prefer open >discussions rather than dialogues, and, second, David is not the only >

[LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-30 Thread howard posner
The server didn't like my dash. This should read: > It starts with a tone cluster, and it comes to mind because it's > famous. It's famous precisely because it's unique— -- a composer > trying > to make the most atypical, anarchic sound he can make -- and thus > useless as a model of normal pr

[LUTE] Re: my first video

2009-01-30 Thread David Tayler
I mean the audience sees a sign at the entrance: that says it is being recorded. Of course, if you say the sign was there, it would be difficult to say otherwise. Maybe the sign was there, and no one saw it. It is very zen, the whole sign thing. dt At 06:06 AM 1/29/2009, you wrote: >On Thu, Ja

[LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-30 Thread howard posner
On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:03 AM, mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: > it's amazing to me, indeed, how a baroque piece that starts with a 7th >in the opening chord, comes to your mind just like that. It starts with a tone cluster, and it comes to mind because it's famous. It's famous precisely

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: French trill - changes in 'baroque' ornamaments

2009-01-30 Thread mathias.roe...@t-online.de
> Eh! =A0 Didn't the appogiatura change (short to long) from the early > 17th through to the late 18thC (see, for example, Donnington pp 197 > -228) Does that mean that any appogiatura occuring during the, say, 1st half of the 17th century is short, or would that be somewhat simplis

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-30 Thread mathias.roe...@t-online.de
> it's amazing to me, indeed, how a baroque piece that starts with a 7th 9th, that is. Sorry! M. > in the opening chord, comes to your mind just like that. > > > > As you asked David, I'll refrain from answering that particular > questio. > > I didn't mean to ask

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-30 Thread mathias.roe...@t-online.de
> Rebe= l's Cahos is not really to the point, since it is a depiction of primordial Chaos. Mathias was questioning a dissonance that was presumably intended for the composer's well-ordered French universe. There isn't much of a difference between an intended depiction and a well-ord

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-30 Thread mathias.roe...@t-online.de
Dear Jerzy, it's amazing to me, indeed, how a baroque piece that starts with a 7th in the opening chord, comes to your mind just like that. > As you asked David, I'll refrain from answering that particular questio. I didn't mean to ask David Tayler exclusively because I prefer

[LUTE] Re: French trill - changes in 'baroque' ornamaments

2009-01-30 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Eh! Didn't the appogiatura change (short to long) from the early 17th through to the late 18thC (see, for example, Donnington pp 197 -228) as did the trill (from a lower note start to upper) during much the same period (Donnington pp 236-259). The simplistic assumption that there