[LUTE] Re: Reconstructing Dowland; deconstructing Dowland

2012-11-16 Thread Martin Shepherd
When I say Dowland's solo lute music is not by Dowland, all I mean is that the sources which have come down to us are not published editions by JD himself and may mostly be arrangements of his music by someone else. Given his reputation as a performer, this is hardly surprising. Very few of h

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructing Dowland; deconstructing Dowland

2012-11-16 Thread WALSH STUART
Martin I know you are fully immersed in this music (as it were) and so I am amazed at your remarks! Just to repeat: I haven't listened to any Dowland in a very long time and have not tried to play any. But, of course, I have tried to play pieces, including songs, in the past. Y

[LUTE] Re: Rolled chords

2012-11-16 Thread Christopher Wilke
Martyn, It is very telling that when signs for arpeggiation - i.e. separee slashes, the % sign in Kapsberger and others' theorbo music - are introduced, they include no information regarding speed or rhythm. This lack of specificity implies that the signs are merely an indication for

[LUTE] Dowland and correctness

2012-11-16 Thread Ron Andrico
Since we're up to our ears in Dowland's music at the moment, you can imagine we have a thing or two to add to the discussion. We have done so with a little bonus post in advance of our usual Saturday series. [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-z6 Ron & Donna -- References 1. http://wp.m

[LUTE] Re: Rolled chords

2012-11-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Gary, I think there's little doubt about the use of such chords in 19th (and even 18th) century keyboard practice: there's quite a bit of evidence on how they played them. But for 16th/early 17th century lute practice hardly anything at all. So the problem here is not that

[LUTE] Re: Rolled chords

2012-11-16 Thread Gary R. Boye
Chris, Interesting that you should bring up rolled chords; there was much discussion on another list several months ago about this YouTube video: Louis Podesta's "Your Piano Teacher Taught You Wrong" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VPgg3armCI Gary Dr. Gary R. Boye Professor and Music Librar

[LUTE] Re: Re/deconstructing Dowland; - and 'rolled' chords

2012-11-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Chris, Perhaps 'rolled' chords were common - as you say, there's no early evidence for them which may mean they were not used or if used then not reported. But we do know that other ways of playing chords were reported so why not this one if it were practised? And I see

[LUTE] Re: Re/deconstructing Dowland; - and 'rolled' chords

2012-11-16 Thread Christopher Wilke
Martyn, The use of rolled chords, like so many things in early music performance, has to be assigned to the "inconclusive" category. Lack of evidence does not mean lack of practice. For example, the subject is rarely mentioned in modern classical guitar methods even though it is

[LUTE] Re: Re/deconstructing Dowland; - and 'rolled' chords

2012-11-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Stuart, I agree with you that we need to be wary in our (modern) assessments of many of these works. For example, some of these lute 'solos', both by Dowland and other lute playing composers, may be lute parts to a consort or a duet and can seem strangely incomplete whilst

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructing Dowland; deconstructing Dowland

2012-11-16 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi All, I've been busy with lots of non-lute stuff, and hadn't quite got around to commenting on this. I agree with David T and David van O - Dowland's lute solos are a mostly a mess, and mostly not by Dowland anyway, so I think we should do what we can to clear up the mess and make our own