[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-19 Thread gary
Since this thread seems to be winding down, I just wanted to thank everyone who has contributed to it for a stimulating, spirited and thought provoking conversation. Thank you. Gary To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-19 Thread gary
I'm not qualified to decide what's right and what's not in any art. I said, ...from Segovia's point of view... I'm going to try to refrain from responding any further so as not to raise the ire of the content police. Back to the lute when the numbness in my left hand subsides. Gary On

[LUTE] Re: Question on String Tension

2013-12-19 Thread alexander
David, this large change of pitch with a little peg turn happens precisely with either low twist or stiff strings. The mechanics of a gimped string are quite complex, due to the wire embedded. Not only the gut string material has to give, when stretched, but also the mechanical connection

[LUTE] Re: Question on String Tension

2013-12-19 Thread alexander
Theoretically at some higher pitch the level of elasticity against the pitch would increase enough to give a sense that string responds slower to increasing tension. However this would happen at some pitch making tension way too high. If you try to bring the pitch down, it will only make this

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Christopher Wilke
This also fits in nicely with Richard Taruskin's often stated thesis that early music performance practice today is really a modern fabrication that seeks to apply 20th (now 21st) century aesthetic preferences to past music. Indeed, the technically clean, vibrato-less, metronomic,

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Edward Mast
Good points and very well said, Chris. Ned To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 19/12/13 8:27 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Richard Taruskin Josquin's Missa Di Dadi Funny you should mention these two in the same email. Decades ago I attended an early music workshop in Miami where Taruskin was one of the instructors, and his task of the week was to lead us recorder

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Mayes, Joseph
Well-said, indeed! Thank you, Chris, for your thoughtful posts. Joseph Mayes From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Wilke [chriswi...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:27 AM To: Jarosław Lipski;

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Bruno Correia
Bruce Haines is a must read regarding this issue (romantic, modern and the Hip approach). 2013/12/19 Christopher Wilke [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com This also fits in nicely with Richard Taruskin's often stated thesis that early music performance practice today is really

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Braig, Eugene
. . . quasi-orgasmic relish is worthy of a tittering *tee-hee*. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Wilke Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:27 AM To: Jarosław Lipski; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject:

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Dan Winheld
So your heart belongs to di Dadi (Cole Porter, 1938) On 12/19/2013 6:22 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: On 19/12/13 8:27 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Richard Taruskin Josquin's Missa Di Dadi Funny you should mention these two in the same email. Decades ago I attended an early music workshop in

[LUTE] Re: Question on String Tension

2013-12-19 Thread David Smith
Thank you for the explanation. If you have the formula please perform an unrestrained act and share it. I really would be interested in it. Regards David Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:58 AM, alexander voka...@verizon.net wrote: Theoretically at some higher pitch the level of

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Mayes, Joseph
OUCH! On 12/19/13 11:25 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: So your heart belongs to di Dadi (Cole Porter, 1938) On 12/19/2013 6:22 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: On 19/12/13 8:27 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Richard Taruskin Josquin's Missa Di Dadi Funny you should mention these two in

[LUTE] [off-topic] chanzy strings

2013-12-19 Thread David Morales
Does anybody know which strings/gauges can I use in a chanzy? Regards. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread erne...@aquila.mus.br
So what are we left with? Personal judgements on what is and what is not interesting music. Or good music, or correct music, or aurally thought music. Harnoncourt wrote it some 40 years ago: HIP is not about doing music as it was done centuries ago but about making lively music for today's

[LUTE] Re: Question on String Tension

2013-12-19 Thread Leonard Williams
Miles brings up a good point. If the string is gimped, the metal ³core² will cause the string to behave more like a metal string: less elastic than the gut covering it. I use gimped fundamentals for 7 and 8 on my 8-course, and I know just what you¹re going through. The lower (heavier,

[LUTE] Masterclasses

2013-12-19 Thread sterling price
Some of this talk of masterclasses has reminded me of my checkered past with the format. In 1994, when I was 20, I performed in a masterclass of a certain well-known female guitarist. I made the mistake of not using her edition of the Bach I was playing. She was not amused. She was

[LUTE] Re: Masterclasses

2013-12-19 Thread fournierbru
Hello Masterclasses should always be about technique or performance. Unfortunately some artists dont understand that. I remember one masterclass with a well known japanese lutenist back in university in 1980, who spent more time criticizing the instrument I owned at the time,

[LUTE] Re: Question on String Tension

2013-12-19 Thread David Smith
Thanks all. The conclusion that I here is that: 1. Gimped Gut Strings are more sensitive at tension when tuning (i.e. change in pitch with change in tension is high). 2. Lowest pitch strings are the hardest. 3. 13 course does better than 11 course due to the rider or the swan neck peghead (some

[LUTE] Re: Question on String Tension

2013-12-19 Thread Edward Martin
I am in a unique situation, to where Dan Larson is one of my closest friends, and he lives just one block from me. So, I get to partake in research and development. I used his gimped strings for years, they are good. However, for the past 2 years, I have gone on my 11-course lute to pure

[LUTE] Re: Question on String Tension

2013-12-19 Thread Dan Winheld
Wow- forgot how gorgeous those pieces are. But yes, I too changed to plain Pistoys on my 7th 8th courses of my Larson 8 course tenor lute. Still use the gimps for 12 13 diapasons on my small archlute. Two single strings in arm's reach I can cope with. Dan On 12/19/2013 10:40 PM, Edward

[LUTE] Vieux Gaultiers' Chaconne ou cascade de Mr de Launay

2013-12-19 Thread Forsberg Mikael
Hi Do anybody know a arr for R-lute (10 c) of this great piece Best Regards Mikael Mikael Forsberg __ Har du faatt detta e-postmeddelande av misstag, var vaenlig meddela oss och