Dear lute netters,
According to Wikipedia
"According to Frederick Neumann,[2] Vallet may have been among the first to
introduce ornaments into lute tablature."
Of course this is nonsense.
Anyway, does anybody know of printed tablature with ornaments before 1596?
Rainer
To get on or off th
as to Wikipedia -
it has been trustworthy in most fields of knowledge, with the exception
of those areas
that are politically contested (this is obviously not limited to
Bakfark's ethnicity.).
But even those areas are not in a bad shape.
RT
On 3/6/2017 6:32 AM, Ron Andrico wrote:
Whi
Of course, Wiki is unreliable.
And - of course - there is no reason to believe the citation is incorrect.
However, why do you think I have asked for prints before 1596?
Barley has ornaments.
Rainer
As usual you have pressed reply to all :)
On 06.03.2017 12:32, Ron Andrico wrote:
While Wik
Am Montag, 06. März 2017 12:32 CET, Ron Andrico
schrieb:
>While Wikipedia is untrustworthy in most respects, in this case it may
>be correct. While ornaments appear liberally in manuscript sources,
>and there are various indications for right-hand fingering and
>left-hand ho
Wikipedia has strict rules against original research, and all information
it permits has to externally documented with reliable scholarly sources.
RT
On 3/6/2017 7:31 AM, Rainer wrote:
Of course, Wiki is unreliable.
And - of course - there is no reason to believe the citation is
incorrect.
H
I am not at all interested in discussing Wikipedia's policy.
I simply wanted to know if anybody knows any printed tablature before barley
with ornaments.
And I really do not want to receive every reply twice.
Rainer
On 06.03.2017 13:41, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Wikipedia has strict rules agai
Wikipedia is no more unreliable than other encyclopedias which claim to
be of academic merit. Some of the entries in Groves online are
ludicrously inaccurate. And a lot of what passes for academic research
today is also inaccurate.
Monica
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Dear Rainer
Antonio Rotta, Intabolatura de lauto di lo eccelentissimo musicho
messer Antonio Rotta di recercari, motetti, balli, ... Libro primo,
Venice, 1546.
Best wishes,
Antonio
P.S. Sorry for the reply to all, my old computer is quite temperamental
about these matters.
Oops, sorry I misremembered the hold signs.
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From: Rainer
To: Lute net
Sent: Monday, 6 March 2017, 6:47
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Earliest printed tablature with ornaments
I am not at all interested in discussing
Dear Rainer, dear list
There is an ornament indication which can be interpreted as an
appogiatura sign in Francesco da Milano & Pietro Paulo Borrono:
Intavolatura di Lauto, Milano 1548. That is the earliest occurence in
print of ornament signs I know of at the moment.
All best
Dear Rainer, I don't have my books to hand just now, but If I remember
correctly I think there is some ornamentation in one or more of the Borrono
prints - I will look it up later. Best wishes, Denys
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> On 6 Mar 2017, at 10:49, Rainer wrote:
>
> Dear lute netters,
>
> Acco
Libro ottavo?
If so, which piece?
Rainer
On 06.03.2017 15:58, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote:
Dear Rainer, dear list
There is an ornament indication which can be interpreted as an
appogiatura sign in Francesco da Milano & Pietro Paulo Borrono:
Intavolatura di Lauto, Milano 1548. T
I couldn't say without looking. I'm remembering a reference by Diana Poulton to
an ornament where there are two tablature letters (in brackets if I remember
correctly) of which only the first is plucked. Best wishes, Denys
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> On 6 Mar 2017, at 16:23, Rainer wrote:
>
> Libro
Dear Denys, Rainer
I was thinking of the Libro Ottavo, too, but found the same pattern in
Intabulatura di Lauto del Divino FdM & del eccelente PPB da Milano … Libro
Secondo, Venice, 1546.
First instance in this book: First pavana, last system of 2nd page (m. 71), the
third cipher is one too m
Dear Rainer & Sean,
It's in the 'Intavolatura di Lauto dell Divino Francesco da Milano et dell'
eccelente Pietro Paulo Borrono ,' Milan, second printing 1548 where there is
a description of the ornament in the in the regola: 'where a circle is found
( ), two fingers must be placed on the string an
I've alway been tempted to try to tune as tiorbino, never tried it, I
have the perfect small archlute for it.. 60-92 but I've always tuned it
in renaissance tuning, had wound strings on 5th trhough 13th, but now
using loaded nylgut. I have two such instruments, maybe I should try
o
I saw a video on YouTube a while back of Jakob Lindberg visiting a luthier or
string maker. He played a piece or two from memory. Does anyone know the link.
I could not find it searching YouTube.
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
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