[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

2018-02-07 Thread Tristan von Neumann
I would not dare to call you a fool if you actually took your time to listen :) In case of my experiments I grant you, there is room for doubt. But with Fantasy X and XII: Did you *really* listen? (I hope your disbelief did not impair your hearing. This human trait has been proven scientifically

[LUTE] German song questions

2018-02-07 Thread Robert Barto
Hi all, Some of the easiest pieces in early German tab books are: Hast du mich genommen (Madonna Katerina) and Unsere Koechin kann aus der massen kochen Does anyone have the texts or know more about these songs? (I have the first two volumes of Forster and have looked in

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-07 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Au moins cette intéressante discussion aura permis à Göran de montrer sa maîtrise de la langue française ;-) ! Bien Amicalement, Jean-Marie > Le 7 févr. 2018 à 23:36, G. C. a écrit : > > Right, so all we other lutenetters interested in this should just keep > hanging. Tres bien. That's the

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

2018-02-07 Thread G. C.
I agree with you Arto. The first example is quite amazing in its compatibility. Due to a common scale, the forced duet somehow sounds compatible. I would say a musical quirk and a coincidence. How could Indian music be compatible with Western renaissance. No chance! And the other exa

[LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript xx

2018-02-07 Thread Arthur Ness
Sorry. This is the last Iâll have to say on his matter. > RA wrote: I'll say plainly that I have no particular dog in this difference of opinion between Arthur and Victor . . . > Has it become a dogfight? That's sad to hear. Ron Andrico certainly has a dog in this matter. Aft

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-07 Thread G. C.
Right, so all we other lutenetters interested in this should just keep hanging. Tres bien. That's the way! Ce est le route? G. On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier <[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: Jaroslaw I do agree with you and the study of past mentalities an

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

2018-02-07 Thread Arto Wikla
Well, I listened carefully all those example combinations of Bull's harpsichord pieces and the suggested similiar(?) raga performances, and sincerely I could not find much in common between them, just two different sound clips connected. Tristan von Neumann is of course free to name me also "fo

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-07 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Jaroslaw I do agree with you and the study of past mentalities and culture has been my daily bread for the last 35 years or so. I know exactly what you are talking about.. Let’s leave it here as you suggested in your email and thank you for your very well informed contribution. All the best, Je

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-07 Thread G. C.
BTW. I never wrote that Jacques Gaultier was related to Enemond, so don't know were is this supposition from⦠That is from: On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: Speaking of Thurston Dart, I always return to his article, "Miss Mary

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-07 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Jean-Marie, This is a vast subject for a long debate. To judge a man’s behaviour from 17th century and predict probability of its consequences is not a trivial matter. As historian Miles Fairborn says that: „impossible, strange and bizarre are less so when placed in their proper context. This i

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

2018-02-07 Thread Mark Seifert
Dear Tristan, I'm super excited about your discovery, and thank you many times for providing it, as well as your other notes which are much appreciated. There must have been a lot more intercultural exchange back then than what we read in standard history books. I recently