[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-06-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
You ask: 'Is it common for makers to keep that paper stencil/pattern on the instrument?' For extant original instruments the answer is yes. MH On Friday, 7 June 2019, 03:11:32 BST, Edward C. Yong wrote: Hi Daniel, The buzz has always been there as long as I've had the inst

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I suppose the question is not so much which words rhymed, but which with which. For example was 'wind' rhymed with the modern pronunciation of 'find/mind' - or did 'mind/find' rhyme with the modern 'wind' ? An early spelling of 'winde' and 'kinde' might suggest the former - but do

[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-06-07 Thread Martin Shepherd
I would say the click almost certainly indicates a loose bar. You can indeed get buzzes from all sorts of places - strings touching the soundboard behind the bridge, nut grooves which are not quite right, strings touching each other in the pegbox, even (as you suggest) a slightly unglued piece

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread corun
There is no online resource that I am aware of. However Prof. Crystal is quite accessible and if you email him and lines you curious about, or even just a couple of words, he will probably be quite happy to respond. Often on Shakespearean works, from monologues to entire plays, he will send a fl

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread jslute
Dear Martyn and All, According to the Crystals, "wind" would be pronounced something like "woind" or "woynd." Ben Crystal helped with one of my theater group productions a couple of years ago. Jim Stimson Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original me

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Hmmm - so was 'find' pronounced 'foind' then? and 'mind' as 'moind'? Perhaps the picture is not as straightforward and clear cut as this? MH On Friday, 7 June 2019, 14:31:35 BST, jslute wrote: Dear Martyn and All, According to the Crystals, "wind" would be pronounced somethi

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Yes, this is a fairly common view - but I what's the reasoning and evidence for it? MH On Friday, 7 June 2019, 16:18:42 BST, Helen Atkinson wrote: Yes - from what I've learnt from Richard Rastall and others, it's 'keu-ind' and "weu-ind" ... a bit as they'd say it in the west

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread corun
Prof. Crystal relies quite a lot on Ben Jonson's English Grammar. Applying that to Shakespeare (and his contemporaries) he has come up with a reasonable hypothesis as to the Early Modern English dialect of the 16th and 17th centuries. Regards, Craig > On June 7, 2019 at 11:23 AM Martyn Hodgs

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread howard posner
> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > Yes, but the question must be, dialect from where exactly? Regional > dialects have always varied significantly and it is really a vain > effort to think we can impose one true historical pronunciation upon > the whole of the past. T

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread jslute
Dear All, The pronunciation in question is in the London area, circa 1600. Jim Stimson Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Ron Andrico Date: 6/7/19 2:24 PM (GMT-05:00) To: corun Cc: LuteNet list Subject: [LUT

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread Leonard Williams
And then, of course, you've got the complication of wind (moving air) or "wind the clock". Leonard -Original Message- From: Martyn Hodgson To: howard posner ; LuteNet list ; Ed Durbrow ; jslute Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 9:42 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rh

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread Dan Winheld
The clock can't run if its winded. But you got to wind it to make it run. On 6/7/2019 3:12 PM, Leonard Williams wrote: And then, of course, you've got the complication of wind (moving air) or "wind the clock". Leonard To get on or off this list see list information at http://www

[LUTE] You obviously haven't heard...

2019-06-07 Thread Timothy Swain
You obviously have NOT heard of David Crystal's OXFORD DICTIONARY OF ORIGINAL SHAKESPEAREAN PRONUNCIATION published by Oxford in 2016 (the 400th anniversary of Shakespeare's death). A very respected scholar, his son has become an expert on Shakespeare. David has authored many texts,

[LUTE] La Spiritata

2019-06-07 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Sorry guys - I know I promised not to open that Pandora's Box... ..but this is too good. I think speculation time is over. One of the oldest Sikh Ragas - Dhanasari/Dhanashree - is clearly the model for "La Spiritata" by Gabrieli. When you listen to this new mashup, there is no guessing. All mo

[LUTE] Re: You obviously haven't heard...

2019-06-07 Thread Alain Veylit
I was puzzled that the printers of Dowland's First booke of songes consistently spelled "sun" as "son" - in spite of rhymes that would indicate a -un sound to a modern reader. Spelling varies in that same book from one part - altus, tenor etc. - fairly frequently. But this seems to b

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
If limited just to London was the pronunciation adopted court or educated middling class or that of the general hoi polloi? MH On Friday, 7 June 2019, 22:13:32 BST, jslute wrote: Dear All, The pronunciation in question is in the London area, circa 1600. Jim Stimso