[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread T.J. Sellari
-- Forwarded message - From: Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> Date: Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:14 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: e vs c To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Ah yes. I forgot about those. I hate English prints. As if they

[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Ah yes. I forgot about those. I hate English prints. As if they were deliberately trying to make things unreadable. Morlaye is the best imho. On 04.08.20 01:30, Denys Stephens wrote: Dear Sean & Tristan, the Robert Dowland ‘Varietie of lute lessons’ and Barley’s ‘New book of tablature’

[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread Sean Smith
Looking back, it was one of my first, too. I confess it's been a while since it's seen daylight! On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:33 PM Denys Stephens <[1]denyssteph...@sky.com> wrote: Dear Sean & Tristan, the Robert Dowland âVarietie of lute lessons' and Barley's âNew book of

[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Sean & Tristan, the Robert Dowland ‘Varietie of lute lessons’ and Barley’s ‘New book of tablature’ both have ‘r’ for ‘c’ although the latter is engraved rather than typeset. I suspect that the Varietie of lute lessons may have had an undue influence in modern times because it was the first

[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread Sean Smith
Aha! Thanks, Dmitri! One person has privately suggested it's not an 'r' but a 'gamma'. On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:17 PM Dmitry Medvedev <[1]d.p.medve...@gmail.com> wrote: One that comes to mind - Robert Dowland: A Varietie of Lute Lessons. Dmitry On 8/3/2020 6:56 PM,

[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread G. C.
Varietie uses r. This seems to have been an English improvement. Continental Mertel f. ex is notorious for using and confusing c and e G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread Dmitry Medvedev
One that comes to mind - Robert Dowland: A Varietie of Lute Lessons. Dmitry On 8/3/2020 6:56 PM, Sean Smith wrote: Dear all, There's a long tradition of scribing the cipher 'r' in place of 'c' in manuscripts of lute tablature. It's quick and easy and serves to differentiate a

[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread Sean Smith
I agree, T., there are certainly prints where I wish they had! On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:05 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: Good question Sean... I think there's no real development in this. For example, Fuhrmann's Testudo Gallica uses "on-line"

[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Good question Sean... I think there's no real development in this. For example, Fuhrmann's Testudo Gallica uses "on-line" fonts, and "c". This is very annoying sometimes if you want to play from the facsimile... In manuscripts, Marsh Lute Book uses c, it's often very confusing next to the e.

[LUTE] e vs c

2020-08-03 Thread Sean Smith
Dear all, There's a long tradition of scribing the cipher 'r' in place of 'c' in manuscripts of lute tablature. It's quick and easy and serves to differentiate a 'c' from an 'e'. My question is, did this carry over into historic printed tablatures with standardized typefaces? Can