Thomas Mace's instruction never mentions the ring finger. It doesn't exist. Never notated in his music, ever. I've almost quit using it too, except for really wide stretches i.e. a chord or arpeggio requiring the first, sixth, and thirteenth courses. ( Pfeiffer's Concerto, Allegro) Most four note chords are strummed with first finger and with top string plucked with second. It's stunningly effective... for Falckenhagen and Kohaut. Probably the same for Carulli and Sor. Not so much Aguado. I'm positive Bob is correct about limiting the use of this finger. Keyboards were played without the thumbs into the 18th C. Where I would expect to find a third finger reference would be a theorbo continuo treatise. Those guys were different. May have influenced later lute playing since the pros did both. Dale Young ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Mathias Rösel"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque Lutelist" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A query from Bob Barto
> "Jorge Torres" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> Mathias: >> >> Robert Barto and I have been going back and forth off the list, and he >> has >> given me the exact citation. I apologize if I was confusing. >> Nevertheless, >> here is a link to the instructions. >> >> http://doc.gold.ac.uk/~mas01tc/Wroclaw2002/ >> >> Go to lower case Roman numeral iv. > > Rule 19 reads: folgenden Schlag und der gleichen soll mann niemahlen > mit > einem finger streichen, sondern man musz den dritten dazu gebrauchen, > alsz (diagramme 1) im Arpeggieren alszo (diagramme 2) Erklärung. > > My attempted translation: The following pattern is never to be struck > with one finger, but the third finger must be used like this (diagramme > 1) which is broken like this (diagr. 2). > > This is the opposite of what LeSage explains. LeSage has it in his rule > # 10 that chords are to be struck either with 1st finger or, if there > is > more than one chord after another, with the thumb, going up to the last > but one course, while the last course is struck by the 2nd finger (rule > # 11). With this in mind, I think it cannot be maintained that > Kniebandl > is an extended version of LeSage. It is a modification, rather, IMHO. > -- > Best, > > Mathias > > > > >> On 1/5/07 2:08 PM, "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > "Jorge Torres" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> >> Sorry, the designation I mentioned is from a MS for 13 course with >> >> instructions by LeSage, noted in Doug Smith and Peter Danner's article >> >> "How >> >> Beginners...Should Proceed," JLSA, 1976. >> > >> > Please forgive me I'm picky, but neither the instructions of LeSage >> > 1695 >> > include anything about RH ringfinger. Dot beneath letter means >> > forefinger, small vertical line beneath letter means thumb, "no sign" >> > means middle finger; that's it. >> >> >> > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
