[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-02 Thread Anthony Hind
I don't have my references handy for this, but I believe that the term 'cat-gut' grew out of a commercial marque in Germany. 'Kaet' was a trade name, apparently a successful one, and the term 'cat gut' derives from this in the same way as 'kleenex' has. Damian Damian That

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-02 Thread Andrew Gibbs
Yet another theory - this one involving Welsh Troubadours (eh?) - from Babolat - a French company that still makes gut-strung tennis racquets: '...in the Middle Ages Welsh Troubadours played an instrument that sounded like a cat meowing. The English called this instrument a cat and its string was

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Andrew , this is April the 2nd ... Anthony PS On the French news, yesterday, they spoke about having to reduce the height of the wind turbine (wind mills) as their effect was slowing down the earth's rotation by a degree or so, and making clocks run fast Le 2 avr. 09 à 14:36,

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-01 Thread alexander
Thank you, Anthony! I have a bit of a question in relation: when Marie Burwell wrote : the strings are made of ship's and cat's gutte, in this case, for the period, would it be a common abbreviation of cattle? What possibly could she mean? alexander On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:52:19 +0200

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-01 Thread Anthony Hind
Alexander Do you have the page? One would suppose that the first was sheep gut, but I would like to look at that more closely. The problem is whether a confusion had already crept in about cat, at the time of Burwell. The author may have been translating the French expression boyau de

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-01 Thread Andrew Gibbs
wikipedia says this about the origin of the term cat gut: Etymology The word catgut may have originated from the word kitgut, or kitstring, the word kit meaning fiddle. It is thought to have been confused at some point with the word kitty for little cat. I've heard other theories. On 1 Apr

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-01 Thread alexander
My apology, misspelled on the run, used it rather as reminder, in hope you remembered the quote: http://www.luteshop.co.uk/stringsburwell.htm From the Mary Burwell Lute Tutor, c.1670, f.7 (full stops editorial): The good stringes are made at Rome or about Rome and none that are good are made in

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-01 Thread alexander
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:23:09 -0400 alexander voka...@yahoo.com wrote: I will try to locate John Downing's posts to FoRMHI quarterly. I recall his trace of the catgut went through the english fly-fishing tradition. The matter here is that from somewhere in the lost 16th or earlier century the

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-01 Thread alexander
I will try to locate John Downing's posts to FoRMHI quarterly. I recall his trace of the catgut went through the english fly-fishing tradition. The matter here is that from somewhere in the lost 16th or earlier century the leader was called catgut. One particular avid fly-fishermen by the name

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-01 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Anthony and All, I thought this was solved some time ago by the suggestion that cat = cattle, and since cattle included sheep in those days, there is no great mystery after all. Correct me if I'm wrong... Martin Anthony Hind wrote: Dear Alexander and all As I have not quite

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-01 Thread Anthony Hind
Well, if that was so, how do we explain French boyau de chat? (is it a translation from English?). Why does the Burwell text refer to sheepes and cat's gut, if sheep is included in cattle (true the origin is capital so all heads of stock are included). Perhaps, the writer already believes

[LUTE] Re: Etymology catgut

2009-04-01 Thread damian dlugolecki
I don't have my references handy for this, but I believe that the term 'cat-gut' grew out of a commercial marque in Germany. 'Kaet' was a trade name, apparently a successful one, and the term 'cat gut' derives from this in the same way as 'kleenex' has. Damian Dear Alexander and all