[LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question

2011-04-06 Thread David Tayler
Faint means to make less or diminish, or miss the mark, or fall short. It has a resonance with the older meaning of feindre, which has a sense of avoiding one's duty, and is also a pun on the other meaning of faint, which is to fade, or die away. These themes are used again and again in Dowland,

[LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question

2011-04-05 Thread Lex van Sante
Hi David, In my opinion here to faint means to fail because of weakness. Hope this helps, Cheers! Lex Op 5 apr 2011, om 16:22 heeft David van Ooijen het volgende geschreven: A Musicall Banquet, song VIII, third stanza has: Ravisht with ioy so grac't by such a Saint, He quite forgat his

[LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question

2011-04-05 Thread Martin Shepherd
I haven't considered this in detail, but you might think about feint, as in a kind of deceiving. Presumably the denaid is what we would spell denied, by the way. Martin On 05/04/2011 15:22, David van Ooijen wrote: A Musicall Banquet, song VIII, third stanza has: Ravisht with ioy so grac't

[LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question

2011-04-05 Thread howard posner
The Oxford English Dictionary includes to fall short (It fainteth or straieth from the marke, if you aime further off), also to lose heart, be depressed, from about this time period. The sense here seems to be that he thought he should not be half-hearted in his gratitude. On Apr 5, 2011, at

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2011-04-05 Thread theoj89294
Faint: possibly past tense of feign - spelt in a non-standardized way? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question

2011-04-05 Thread mc41mc
Here is the paraphrased verse by David Hill from a pdf on this page: [1]http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm 3 Ravished with joy at being so honoured by such a aEUR~saint', He quite forgot his aEUR~cell' and disowned his retired state. He considered that it would be shameful to

[LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question

2011-04-05 Thread David van Ooijen
Thank you, Howard and all. To 'fall short' seems to fit the bill! David On 5 April 2011 19:05, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: The Oxford English Dictionary includes to fall short (It fainteth or straieth from the marke, if you aime further off), also to lose heart, be

[LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question

2011-04-05 Thread mc41mc
I'm not sure why it garbled the uppercase letters, so I'll try again. 3 Ravisht with ioy so grac't by such a Saint, He quite forgat his Cell and selfe denaid, He thought it shame in thankfulnesse to faint, Debts due to Princes must be duly paid : Nothing so hatefull to a

[LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question

2011-04-05 Thread mc41mc
To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 5:02:27 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question Thank you, Howard and all. To 'fall short' seems to fit the bill! David On 5 April 2011 19:05, howard posner [1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote

[LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question

2011-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Noonan
Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 2:59:21 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Farre from triumphing court - text question Here is the paraphrased verse by David Hill from a pdf on this page: [1]http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm 3 Ravished with joy at being so honoured