[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-15 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Matthias, another system of classifying musical instruments is by material (used in India, China a.s.o). I think, there's at least as much logic in this system as in the western european. I do not have difficulties in applying the Sachs system to any instrument as a material thing but doi

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-15 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Ed, I suspect there are Japanese people adhering to the system of classifying according to material of construction as there are such who have adopted the Sachs-system. I even remember a Japanese co-student of mine once reading us a paper about the adoption of the western harmonic system

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-15 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Oct 15, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Ik1hdGhpYXMgUvZzZWwi wrote: > Perhaps, Japanese musicologists will share the European traditional > way > of definining families of musical instruments. Perhaps they won't. > Does > that mean it's wrong in any kind of way? Would you suggest other ways > than by us

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-14 Thread Mathias R�sel
> I agree with almost everything you write except that I would like to call > instruments first and foremost by their proper names (especially if it comes > to non western european instruments), that I would not like to call guitars > lutes nor should I. Lute instruments would be the traditiona

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-14 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Mathias, I agree with almost everything you write except that I would like to call instruments first and foremost by their proper names (especially if it comes to non western european instruments), that I would not like to call guitars lutes [and therefore have to admit that I am not able

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-14 Thread Mathias R�sel
> "Schalenhalslaute" and "Kastenhalslaute" - that's the terminology of Curt > Sachs Sachs's terminology was still kept e. g. by Dieter Klöckner, art. zupfinstrumentenbau (construction of plucked instruments) / A Einführung (introduction), B Gitarren- und Lautenbau (construction of lutes and gui

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-14 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Mathias, "Schalenhalslaute" and "Kastenhalslaute" - that's the terminology of Curt Sachs and as his approach was purely based on the morphology of instruments (not on their use, the way one produces sounds on them [e.g. by plucking strings or bowing them] or their position in the culture t

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-13 Thread Mathias R�sel
"Joachim Lüdtke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Within the field of instruments in question I tend to think of instruments > with a lute-back as lutes and of instruments with a back made of sides > (unsure about the terminology, in German they are called "Zargen") and a > seperate back as guita

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-09 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Kenneth, thank you for your mail - I didn't know that my article would be of interest to anyone outside Germany although I know that the guitar lute and its relatives were not confined to the German spoken countries. I have not mentioned Scholander because I am unsure about the extent to w