[LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga

2018-05-14 Thread John Mardinly
According to Wikipedia, here are some instances: the second movement (Largo) of Beethoven's Third Piano Concerto (Op. 37) (1800), to notate rapid scales.[3] Another example is i

[LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga

2018-05-14 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Rainer, these demihemiwatchamacallits were indeed used for printing music in Beethoven's time, but it is also true that they have almost completely fallen out of use. Modern editions of late eighteenth/early nineteenth century piano music augment the old values ... Best Joachim P.S.: I

[LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga

2018-05-14 Thread howard posner
> On May 14, 2018, at 8:49 AM, John Mardinly wrote: > > According to Wikipedia, here are some instances: the second movement > (Largo) of Beethoven's Third Piano Concerto (Op. 37) (1800), to notate rapid > scales I just looked at/listened to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3qEckWYU

[LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga

2018-05-15 Thread Rainer
Frankly speaking, the main reason for my post was the ridiculous demisemihemidemisemiquaver :) Rainer On 15.05.2018 04:12, howard posner wrote: On May 14, 2018, at 8:49 AM, John Mardinly wrote: According to Wikipedia, here are some instances:the second movement (Largo) of Beethov

[LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga

2018-05-15 Thread John Mardinly
OK, it gets worse: the last part of the Wikipedia article that initially ignored mentions notes down to 4096th with 10 beams:

[LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga

2018-05-15 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Dude... I bet Conlon Nancarrow has some even shorter values... though the interest in it would be only theoretical... Am 15.05.2018 um 17:44 schrieb John Mardinly: OK, it gets worse: the last part of the Wikipedia article that initially ignored mentions notes down to 4096th with 10 beams:

[LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga

2018-05-15 Thread howard posner
> On May 15, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > I bet Conlon Nancarrow has some even shorter values I thought so too, so I was just looking at a Nancarrow score this morning. The note values were larger than you’d expect because he makes the half-note the basic beat and uses

[LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga

2018-05-16 Thread Rainer
Another question - of course - what is the smallest note value used in Renaissance tablature. What is the smallest note value used in Baroque tablature. There are lots of 32nd [thirty-second note] but I have not found a single 64th in my tab files. Note: a stem with 5 flags is a 32nd and a s

[LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga

2018-05-16 Thread Leonard Williams
Lots of 5's (1/32) in Cosens. Leonard -Original Message- From: Rainer To: lutelist Net Sent: Wed, May 16, 2018 5:39 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ugga, Agga Another question - of course - what is the smallest note value used in Renaissance tablature. What i