Hi, Kevin,
Thanks for your info. In answer to Kevin's question, I certainly paid
more attention because I got an oud. It's great fun! Why didn't you
tell me? :-)
Best to all, and keep playing.
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Kevin germain
[1]kdgerm...@charter.net wrote:
These pictures here from Cantigas de Santa Maria were looked at up and down, by
countless people. It is hard to deny that most likely, those lute-ouds do not
have frets.
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/03.gif
Of course, some people argue that, as always, a pencil-challenged
I remember someone discussing a treatise by Al Kindi (? 11-12th
century?) which discusses how to place frets on the oud and discusses
Pythagorean schemes, etc. - so it seems that at least some ouds had
frets. Can anyone supply the details?
Martin
On 22/05/2011 12:59, alexander wrote:
On 22/05/2011 13:39, Martin Shepherd wrote:
I remember someone discussing a treatise by Al Kindi (? 11-12th
century?) which discusses how to place frets on the oud and discusses
Pythagorean schemes, etc. - so it seems that at least some ouds had
frets. Can anyone supply the details?
Martin
Here weA go again with this debate.A I play lute and Oud A in a
medieval ensemble , [1]www.estavel.org.A A I must say, that I like the
sound of the Oud when playing Cantigas or Livre Vermeil stuff, however
I move to a fretted luted for later stuff, Dufay, Landini, etc.
A
I
Hi,
Al-Kindî died ca. 874 CE; his is only one of many treatises in which the
fretting of lutes is unequivocally described.
Al-Kindî also specifies the gauge of the various strands of gut used as frets,
much like Dowland. The entire medieval music theory system was based on the
geometric
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: two fifteenth century songs arranged by Eric Redlinger
Here weA go again with this debate.A I play lute and Oud A in a
medieval ensemble , [1]www.estavel.org.A A I must say, that I like the
sound of the Oud when
Thanks, David. Fascinating. I've copied my oud-playing friend Kevin
on this one, to see if he has any comments.
fretting my new favorite Chinese instrument: a Johnson stratocaster.
Chris.
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:42 AM, David van Ooijen
[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
Thanks Danyel
Cold facts in stead of heated debate and *un*sub*stan*tia*ted claims. Very good.
David
PS: Third effort of sending this mail. Wayne's Robot took a dislike to
it ... ;-)
On 22 May 2011 16:50, corvo di bassetto r...@recout.de wrote:
Hi,
Al-Kindī died ca. 874 CE; his is only one
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Date: Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: two fifteenth century songs arranged by Eric
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Yes, thanks
Nah,
real men tune equally.
RT
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I tried to send this a while ago but it never
:-) All men are equal, some more than others, ask DSK ;-))) !
Jean-Marie
=
== En réponse au message du 21-05-2011, 20:40:13 ==
Nah,
real men tune equally.
RT
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I tried to send this a while ago but it never showed up. Maybe someone was
It would do so as soon as it had frets on its neck.
RT
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I tried
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Very lovely, Stuart, and I'm happy to have this site. The ensemble I play with
plays mainly 14th and 15th century music (in early notation, which I'm slowly
learning); it will be nice to have some lute intabulations of this music.
On May 21, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote:
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On 21 May 2011 23:08, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 21/05/2011 21:47, Monica Hall wrote:
It would do so as soon as it had frets on its neck.
But when did that first happen?
Monica (fretfully).
According to Crawford Young, around 1400. (But the small lute-like gittern
was
Really, David? More, please!
fretfully playing my oud,
Chris.
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[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 21/05/2011 21:47, Monica Hall wrote:
It would
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