[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-06-01 Thread Mathias Rösel
"David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Although there are scatterred references to the numbering of the > layers in the Elizabethan period, I think the phrase "seventh heaven" > derives more from the Islamic and Cabalist traditions. > dt You can colloquially say in Hebrew ba-raqîa ha-shvi

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-06-01 Thread Anthony Hind
Ed This topic is raised form time to time on the list. Here is the last thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg17862.html I think we are gradually getting there. Anthony Le 1 juin 08 =E0 02:45, Ed Durbrow a ecrit : > > On May 31, 2008, at 6:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-05-31 Thread David Tayler
Although there are scatterred references to the numbering of the layers in the Elizabethan period, I think the phrase "seventh heaven" derives more from the Islamic and Cabalist traditions. dt At 05:45 PM 5/31/2008, you wrote: >On May 31, 2008, at 6:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> At lea

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-05-31 Thread Ed Durbrow
On May 31, 2008, at 6:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least in Finnish we still say "seventh heaven", when referring to something very wanted is achieved We have the same phrase in English. I never put it together with your derivation until now. And so on. You'll find this kind of re

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-05-30 Thread wikla
On 5/31/2008, "LGS-Europe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Elizabehan World Picture > by E.M.W. Tillyard (I happen to have a Pelican from 1943, but there must be > more modern editions) Yep, mine is reprint of 1984, at least 14th reprint, ISBN 0-14-021484-4. Arto To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-05-30 Thread David Tayler
I think that in a specific way, it refers to the many types of diagrams showing the celestial order, many of which are reprinted in the untuning of the Sky by John Hollander, and obtusely referenced in Spitzer's classic text, Classical and Christian Ideas of World Harmony. In a general sense, i

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-05-30 Thread wikla
Hi lutenists, just in case someone thinks I am a madman, when writing about the world picture of the composers of our lute music, as I did (see below), I would like to add something. My list of "heavens" (should it be "spheres"?) is taken from the preface of one edition of Dante's Divina Comedia

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-05-30 Thread wikla
> I would suggest underlights are the planets and perhaps also the Moon > (and Sun?). In the world picture of those days all the stars were > attached to the same, uppermost chrystal sphere, each planet had its own > chrystal sphere, which were also lower, nearer to the center of the > universe, o

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-05-30 Thread Doctor Oakroot
What about Aurora Borealis? Was Campion far enough north to see it? > .. in Thomas Campion's lute song Author of Light? > > Sun and moon, > stars and underlights I see, > but all their glorious beams > are mists and darkness > being compar'd to thee. > > The OED is not really helpfull, suggestion