Dear Martin, Martyn, and all
Thank you for your suggestions. I do think it was due to a
difference in humidity, so perhaps the lamp might have worked, perhaps
also helping to soften the peg paste. I will try that next time.
The peg seemed to be blocked which ever way I turned it by hand; I even
tried using a special plastic material for undoing jam-jars, which puts
no leverage, but just a little more grip, and it still didn't move; but
very slow, patient and gentle pressure with Wolfgang's turner did
finally make it begin to move. I only used the tips of my fingers to
hold the turner, so I don't think I was putting undue strain, although
of course I can't be sure of that.
I should add, that this is not the purpose of the peg-turner, rather,
it results in less overshoot when you tune-up or down (as with the
geared peg). Although, I am sure the true geared peg is much more
accurate.
I had recently heard of someone turning a peg of someone else's Michael
Lowe lute, using a pair of pliers! Although, I haven't seen it, I was
told the result was horrifying, with the obvious damage that resulted
to the peg.
I was very much aware of that while delocking my lute's pegs, and in
spite of frustration, I refrained from reaching for the tool chest. I
did feel like giving a gentle tap to the inner point of the peg (with
the peg-hammer?), to push it out, but fortunately did refrain from
doing that as well ...
Thanks again
Anthony
---- Message d'origine ----
>De : "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
>A : "Lute List" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
> "Martin Shepherd" <mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
>Objet : [LUTE] Re: Re Re: geared pegs and [Wolfgang's peg turner]
>Date : 21/06/2010 12:11:25 CEST
>
>
> Also, somewhat contra-intuitive, try tightening the string first -
not
> releasing it - to break the static friction and any residual wedging
of
> peg paste. Then release the tension.
>
> MH
> --- On Mon, 21/6/10, Martin Shepherd <mar...@luteshop.co.uk> wrote:
>
> From: Martin Shepherd <mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Re Re: geared pegs and [Wolfgang's peg turner]
> To: "Lute List" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Monday, 21 June, 2010, 10:59
>
> Dear Anthony and All,
> If your pegs stick because they have swollen or the pegbox has
shrunk,
> try putting the pegbox near a source of gentle heat such as a desk
lamp
> - no need for it to be hot, just slightly warmer than the
> surroundings. That will reduce the humidity and may take you back to
> where you started. Using force without trying to modify the humidity
> is not recommended!
> Best wishes,
> Martin
> Anthony Hind wrote:
> > I love the appearence and feel of the non-geared pegs on my
> Stephen
> > Gottlieb 11c Warwick. A number of lutenists who tried this lute
> told me
> > they were the best pegs thay had used. Nevertheless, following a
> three
> > week stay in very humid Normandy, I returned to relatively dry
> Paris,
> > and found the majority of my pegs completely stuck.
> > I was quite unable to move them by hand and even had great
> difficulty
> > in moving them at all, using a very handy wooden tool made by
> Wolfgang
> > Fruh, here in Paris. I was terrified that either a peg would
> break, or
> > the peg-box would crack, but finally they all did move, without
> visible
> > damage.
> > Nevertheless, if it wasn't for the fact that Stephen's pegs are
> > beautiful, and Wolfgang's peg mover does bring a sort of geared
> control
> > to them, I would gladly adopt geared pegs, just to avoid another
> > similar episode, after my next trip back to Normandy.
> > Initially, I was very doubtful about Wolfgang's peg turner,
> fearing the
> > added force could bring damage, but it does seem to work very well
> > indeed, and gives more precision and accuracy than just using
> unaided
> > hand-force, which almost always leads to overshoot.
> > It is definitely worth trying one of these, they look good and
> seem to
> > work well (and it doesn't slip off the peg, as some similar tools
> are
> > said to do); although I will not accept responsibility for any
> broken
> > peg-boxes ...
> > Anthony
> > ---- Message d'origine ----
> > >De : "David Tayler" <[1]vidan...@sbcglobal.net>
> > >A : "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <[2]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > >Objet : ***SPAM***[LUTE] Re: geared pegs and Dan Larson's lute
> > >Date : 21/06/2010 03:55:22 CEST
> > >
> > >It did not stick on the nut--I think he used a real nut, like a
> Brazil
> > nut.
> > > d
> > >
> > > At 06:23 PM 6/20/2010, you wrote:
> > > >It can be on many lutes, but not on this particular nut.
> > > >
> > > >ed
> > > >
> > > >At 08:16 PM 6/20/2010, Miles Dempster wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >But isn't there still the problem of the strings sticking on
> the
> > nut?
> > > > >
> > > > >Miles
> > > > >
> > > > >On 2010-06-20, at 9:07 PM, Edward Martin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I saw this lute in Dan Larson's shop yesterday. It is a
> very,
> > very
> > > > > > nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs, or whatever you
> want to
> > call
> > > > > > them, are very nice, very interesting. They are, as DT
> says,
> > smooth
> > > > > > as butter, and they will never slip, as pegs do. They are
> > plain, but
> > > > > > very attractive..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know the cost, but I think Dan said somewhere
> around
> > $30
> > > > > > each. But, what an improvement over friction pegs! Not
> only can
> > one
> > > > > > tune more accurately, but quicker, with no errors, i.e.,
> > > > > > slipping. Yes, they do need to be fitted by a luthier, but
> Dan
> > > > > > informs me they are quite easy to put in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The person who sells these gears has been after Dan for a
> > while, to
> > > > > > try them on lutes, but Dan resisted, thinking the weight
> was
> > too
> > > > > > much. But, There is no noticeable difference in weight
> that I
> > could
> > > > > > discern as compared to pegs, and the sound is not affected
> in
> > any
> > > way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am most impressed. I have ordered a set for my vihuela.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ed
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 05:21 PM 6/20/2010, Edward Mast wrote:
> > > > > >> I don't have geared pegs on my cello, but know a cellist
> - and
> > a
> > > > > >> violinist - who does. They like them a lot. My questions
> would
> > be:
> > > > > >> 1) How much would each peg for a lute cost?
> > > > > >> 2) Would they need to be fitted by a luthier, or could
> the
> > player
> > > > > >> do it him/herself?
> > > > > >> 3) Assuming a peg with gears weighs more than a plain
> wooden
> > peg
> > > > > >> (?), would geared pegs add significantly to the weight of
> the
> > peg
> > > > > >> box? Enough to change the balance of the instrument?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Ned
> > > > > >> On Jun 20, 2010, at 3:33 PM, David Tayler wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> At BFX 2010, I had the opportunity to play Dan Larson's
> Frey
> > lute.
> > > > > >>> Well, first off, this was a really nice lute, and all
> gut
> > strung
> > > with
> > > > > >>> some really cool strings.
> > > > > >>> This lute also had geared pegs, which look just like
> real
> > pegs. I
> > > > > >>> mean, they are real pegs, not imaginary pegs, but
> hopefully
> > you
> > > know
> > > > > >>> what I mean.
> > > > > >>> I have seen the pegs for some time now on Gambas, but
> this
> > was my
> > > > > >>> first lute adventure.
> > > > > >>> The pegs work great! They turn like butter, but have an
> > internal
> > > > > >>> braking system to stop them from "frapping" to use the
> > historical
> > > term.
> > > > > >>> You can see very detailed photos of the lute on Flickr
> > > > > >>>
> >
>
[1][3][1]http://www.flickr.com/photos/voicesofmusic/sets/72157624142677
939
> /
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I would love to have a cittern or orpharion with these
> pegs!
> > > > > >>> dt
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at
> > > > > >>>
> [2][4][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Edward Martin
> > > > > > 2817 East 2nd Street
> > > > > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812
> > > > > > e-mail: [5...@gamutstrings.com
> > > > > > voice: (218) 728-1202
> > > > > >
> [3][6][3]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name
> > > > > > [4][7][4]http://www.myspace.com/edslute
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Edward Martin
> > > >2817 East 2nd Street
> > > >Duluth, Minnesota 55812
> > > >e-mail: [8...@gamutstrings.com
> > > >voice: (218) 728-1202
> > >
> >[5][9][5]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name
> > > >[6][10][6]http://www.myspace.com/edslute
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1.
>
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> > 3.
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> > 5.
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> > 6. [16][12]http://www.myspace.com/edslute
> >
> >
>
> --
>
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>
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