Perhaps a simple one, that you have spoken of Russian as a language of
rhyming - with the implication that the poetry is superior for that reason.
I may have misinterpreted your meaning, but if so it may have been because
there seems to be much in your postings that imply a superiority of an era
Perhaps a simple one, that you have spoken of Russian as a language of
rhyming - with the implication that the poetry is superior for that reason.
Did I?? Russian is not the only rhyming language. I know for sure that
German and Swedish rhyme very well.
I may have misinterpreted your
enough already with scurvy!
let's talk about lutes - there's a disease called luteal phase
deficiency and something called the luteinizing
hormone/follicle-stimulating hormone-releasing factor (hurry while
supplies last!) and luth, which in zoological terms means
leatherback. hm...
Scurvy is not as uncommon as you might think! I saw a couple of cases in
Birmingham in the '60s and during our physiology practicals we measured our
own Vit C levels and excretion rates before and after taking large doses of
Vit C. Our tutors were sufficiently alarmed by the low Vit C levels
So, to paraphrase MO, what's your point?
RT
I'll rise above the temptation to discuss the poetry of the early English.
And will only mention in passing the fact that the literature of greater
Russia goes back only a few hundred years. And I'll not pick on the loss of
the Picts (probably
A good, effective school, obviously.
RT
I risk a quite proper attack for my own propensity for pontification.
I seem to remember that the existence of pomposa is still under question.
I had a teacher in prep school whom we called pomposity personified.
Best, Jon
snip
In translated English the
rhymes of Beowulf aren't there, but in the original they are.
Dear Jon,
I think it must be a while since you looked at the original Beowulf.
There are no rhymes. It is written in alliterative verse.
Yours,
Tony
A Stimson; Herbert Ward;
Roman Turovsky
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
RT,
I'll rise above the temptation to discuss the poetry of the early
English. And will only mention in passing the fact that the literature
of greater Russia goes back only a few hundred years
RT,
I'll rise above the temptation to discuss the poetry of the early English.
And will only mention in passing the fact that the literature of greater
Russia goes back only a few hundred years. And I'll not pick on the loss of
the Picts (probably Brythanic) to the Goidalic Celtic languages
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:28:05 -0500
To: Arto Wikla [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
But what really is your attitude to the music of J. Hendrix?
I have a rather dim 25 year old memory of his music
But what really is your attitude to the music of J. Hendrix?
I have a rather dim 25 year old memory of his music, but I could never
figure out what was the big deal about him.
Finally! something about which I can agree with RT!!
I thought we only disagreed on MO, you thinking he was a swell
W. Gibson
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From: Greg M Silverman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 2:11 PM
To: bill; LUTE-LIST
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Greg M Silverman wrote:
bill wrote:
i worked briefly for rollingstone - 30 year old gossip in the art
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:31:12 -0500
To: Joe Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], James A Stimson
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Ah..I see the misunderstanding
JS Bach
Satie
Cage
Cowell
F Couperin
I am having a bit of trouble with the non-lute part of the poll. Does
this mean, didn't compose for the lute?
Yes, my wording was not good. I should have said
Post renaissance composer, judged by his
non-lute compositions.
Please include Bach and others guilty of composing only
-
From: Jon Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 1:26 AM
To: 'David Rastall'; 'bill'; Stephen W. Gibson
Cc: 'Lautenliste'
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Stephen,
Shady Grove wasn't written, like Topsy it just grew. Otherwise known
as it is traditional. I first
So when Bach specified lute in the St. John Passion, he meant...
A number of possibilities.
Could one of these possibilities have been...say...lute?
Possibly. Could have been a mandora, or an archlute. Paduan type instruments
were still made in Germany as late as 1760's (like Böck in Poznan)
Though my family has lived in The USA for many generations my European roots
are Welsh.
I'm glad you didn't pot your roots.
RT
Arto wrote...
The Americans and
Englishmen, Schotts, Welshsmen, Australians and Canadians usually never
write so that I need dictionaries.
[Ron Fletcher]
We
A Stimson
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
So when Bach specified lute in the St. John Passion, he meant...
A number of possibilities.
Could one of these possibilities have been...say...lute?
Possibly. Could have
Sorry to have been so criptic. What I should have said is:
I find your postings always interesting and often thought provoking,
Though I do not often agree with a specific point - indeed many specific
points - I find what you have to say valuable.
Atro to the contrary not withstanding, I
AM
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Though my family has lived in The USA for many generations my European
roots
are Welsh.
I'm glad you didn't pot your roots.
RT
Arto wrote...
The Americans and
Englishmen, Schotts, Welshsmen, Australians and Canadians usually never
write so
Another good one, a shot across the bow from Roman. It is probably a good
idea that you did not root your pot either.
Vance Wood.
I think bonsai-potting Welsh roots might produce a Pict.
RT
Though my family has lived in The USA for many generations my European
roots
are Welsh.
I'm
before they were cutting them down and making Lutes of them.
Vance Wood.
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From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Another good one, a shot across the bow from
I'm not sure if you are just making jokes or you seriously think I am
ashamed of my involvement with the Art of bonsai and will flee in terror
every time you bring it up. Not so. The bonsai tradition goes back to at
least 2500 BC and you can be sure people were putting trees in pots long
Arto wrote...
The Americans and
Englishmen, Schotts, Welshsmen, Australians and Canadians usually never
write so that I need dictionaries.
[Ron Fletcher]
We have several Englishmen and a few Scots on this list. But, the Welsh
(and Irish) seem conspicuous by their absence. (Are there any?)
, 2004 3:57 PM
To: Stephen W. Gibson; 'Jon Murphy'; 'David Rastall'; 'bill'
Cc: 'Lautenliste'
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Shakespeare inhabited
the same London as the legion scribblers beside him), but it frees us
a little from the cult of the solitary artist.
To what? a cult
.
Regards
Stephen W. Gibson
-Original Message-
From: Jon Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 1:26 AM
To: 'David Rastall'; 'bill'; Stephen W. Gibson
Cc: 'Lautenliste'
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Stephen,
Shady Grove wasn't written, like Topsy
composers poll.
Arto wrote...
The Americans and
Englishmen, Schotts, Welshsmen, Australians and Canadians usually never
write so that I need dictionaries.
[Ron Fletcher]
We have several Englishmen and a few Scots on this list. But, the Welsh
(and Irish) seem conspicuous by their absence
But what really is your attitude to the music of J. Hendrix?
I have a rather dim 25 year old memory of his music,
Refresh it!
It actually gets refreshed every once in a while, to be honest, as I get
exposed to many things of that sort at work, and often there is no way to
tune it out.
RT
Roman Turovsky wrote:
But what really is your attitude to the music of J. Hendrix?
I have a rather dim 25 year old memory of his music,
Refresh it!
It actually gets refreshed every once in a while, to be honest, as I get
exposed to many things of that sort at work, and often there is
[Ron Fletcher]
We have several Englishmen and a few Scots on this list. But, the Welsh
(and Irish) seem conspicuous by their absence. (Are there any?)
At least one of each, to be sure (Meic and Nick).
RT
i worked briefly for rollingstone - 30 year old gossip in the art dept.
of rollingstone is the full extent of my documentation for this, boys -
but the word was that the recordings never happened because miles davis
wanted a million dollars for the recording.
(roll another one...)
eric
bill wrote:
i worked briefly for rollingstone - 30 year old gossip in the art dept.
of rollingstone is the full extent of my documentation for this, boys -
but the word was that the recordings never happened because miles davis
wanted a million dollars for the recording.
(roll another
Greg M Silverman wrote:
bill wrote:
i worked briefly for rollingstone - 30 year old gossip in the art dept.
of rollingstone is the full extent of my documentation for this, boys -
but the word was that the recordings never happened because miles davis
wanted a million dollars for the
: 'Lautenliste'
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Stephen,
Shady Grove wasn't written, like Topsy it just grew. Otherwise known
as it is traditional. I first heard it on mountain dulcimer and fiddle
by the Ritchie family in the '40s, and have an arrangement in aeolian
mode for dulcimer in front of me
Shakespeare inhabited
the same London as the legion scribblers beside him), but it frees us a
little from the cult of the solitary artist.
To what? a cult of Collective Effort?
RT
__
Roman M. Turovsky
http://turovsky.org
http://polyhymnion.org
Shakespeare inhabited
the same London as the legion scribblers beside him), but it frees us a
little from the cult of the solitary artist.
To what? a cult of Collective Effort?
But who cares? Jimi Hendrix was living in the same house, where Händel
was living in 1700's, when Hendrix
Shakespeare inhabited
the same London as the legion scribblers beside him), but it frees us a
little from the cult of the solitary artist.
To what? a cult of Collective Effort?
But who cares? Jimi Hendrix was living in the same house, where Händel
was living in 1700's, when Hendrix visited
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Shakespeare inhabited
the same London as the legion scribblers beside him), but it frees us a
little from the cult of the solitary artist.
To what? a cult of Collective Effort?
But who cares? Jimi Hendrix was living in the same house, where
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Roman Turovsky wrote:
What is a lime and what is a scurvy? Once again I did not get your
(possible?) message! You should use easier English, if you wish to be
understood also in the non English speaking Europe! (Yes, I do know the
word lime, a certain type of tree
Roman Turovsky wrote:
But what really is your attitude to the music of J. Hendrix?
I have a rather dim 25 year old memory of his music, but I could never
figure out what was the big deal about him.
Miles Davis was suppossed to have recorded with Jimi, but unfortunately,
the Isle of Wight
At the video a lute appears but where in the songs? I have listend to
it *very* often and wonder ...
just curious
Thomas
Am Fre, 2004-04-02 um 09.21 schrieb Howard Posner:
David Rastall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you sure it's not Jan Ackerman your'e thinking of ?
No, Ian
there's a nice interview of martin barre on the guitarnoise site
(www.guitarnoise.com/interviews.php)
i can't believe no one has mentioned brian wilson yet.
my top 6 classical composes are:
1 - beethoven
2 - js bach
..the rest probably won't make the journey to my desert island.
beethoven
Thomas Schall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At the video a lute appears but where in the songs? I have listend to
it *very* often and wonder ...
At the beginning of Velvet Green, with the harpsichord. And we've already
talked about Thick as a Brick. There are probably others. I daresay Ian
Howard Posner wrote:
Thomas Schall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At the video a lute appears but where in the songs? I have listend to
it *very* often and wonder ...
At the beginning of Velvet Green, with the harpsichord. And we've already
talked about Thick as a Brick. There are
Thanks!
I have listend to these LP now for more than 20 years and never
recoginzed the lute.
As we had it in thick as a brick - probably when you know it you'll
clearly hear the lute but as you never expected a lute to be played you
don't recognize it ...
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Fre, 2004-04-02
Greg M. Silverman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
According to http://home.cogeco.ca/~mansion1/martinbarre.html, the only
Tull recording with Martin playing lute was Songs from the Wood
Don't believe everything you don't read on the web. The review included
with the Thick as a Brick LP notes
Howard Posner wrote:
Greg M. Silverman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
According to http://home.cogeco.ca/~mansion1/martinbarre.html, the only
Tull recording with Martin playing lute was Songs from the Wood
Don't believe everything you don't read on the web. The review included
with the
Stephen,
Shady Grove wasn't written, like Topsy it just grew. Otherwise known as
it is traditional. I first heard it on mountain dulcimer and fiddle by the
Ritchie family in the '40s, and have an arrangement in aeolian mode for
dulcimer in front of me. It was one of the first songs I played and
Hi Arto,
there is lute music by Corelli (and also Händel)! Arrangements most
likely as the lute music by Telemann, Haydn and Josquin are, too.
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Don, 2004-04-01 um 08.33 schrieb Arto Wikla:
Hi all
On Wednesday 31 March 2004 20:48, Herbert Ward wrote:
Which non-lute
my list goes:
1 Brahms
2 Bach
3 Correli
4 Barrios
5 Schubert
6 Beethoven
Walter
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My six are:
The three Bs
1. Bach
2. Beethoven
3. Britten
and
4. Messiaen
5. Takemitsu
6. Shostakovich
If the list were a little longer I would add Varese, Cowell, and Alan
Hovhaness.
Mark Farley
-Original Message-
From: Herbert Ward
Which non-lute post-Renaissance
Using a computer program, I assign
1 pointfirst place
5/6 pointsecond place
4/6 pointthird place
etc
and add everything up.
So far, Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart are leading, in testimony to the
power, grace, and vision of these men's
]
exas.educc:
Subject: Non-lute composers poll.
03/31/2004 12:48
Don't quite understand the Ravel thing,
Though not as lucidly weighty as Monsieurs Bach and Beethoven, or as
uncompromisingly elegant as Mozart, Ravel combined an innovative modern
sound with rich musicality, a feat unmatched, indeed unapproached, in my
listening experience.
Herbert Ward wrote:
Don't quite understand the Ravel thing,
Though not as lucidly weighty as Monsieurs Bach and Beethoven, or as
uncompromisingly elegant as Mozart, Ravel combined an innovative modern
sound with rich musicality, a feat unmatched, indeed unapproached, in my
listening
--- Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't quite understand the Ravel thing,
Though not as lucidly weighty as Monsieurs Bach and
Beethoven, or as
uncompromisingly elegant as Mozart, Ravel combined
an innovative modern
sound with rich musicality, a feat unmatched, indeed
--- Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't quite understand the Ravel thing,
Though not as lucidly weighty as Monsieurs Bach and
Beethoven, or as
uncompromisingly elegant as Mozart, Ravel combined
an innovative modern
sound with rich musicality, a feat unmatched, indeed
I'm kinda partial to:
1. Beethoven
2. Sibelius
3. Regondi
4. Monteverdi
5. Calace (sometimes; some of his stuff is unbearably cheesy)
6. Mertz
I have no heady justification for this. These folks have just produced
things I like to hear.
Eugene
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:27:46 -0500
To: Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Dear Herb: Don't quite understand the Ravel thing,
but why not? I'll keep
mine to five:
1. Bach
2. Beethoven
3. Mozart
4
Ah..I see the misunderstanding.
So when Bach specified lute in the St. John Passion, he meant...
A number of possibilities.
...and I guess we should say solo lute when that's what we mean.
..and bach's 'cell suites weren't written for guitar? Turns out that at
least one of them wasn't
James A Stimson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
6. Ian Anderson
I haven't followed this thread much, but isn't Anderson disqualified because
he wrote for lute?
Hi Herb,
interesting poll!
1.Mendelssohn (who lived in the neighborhood for a while)
2.Beethoven
3.Händel
4.Purcell
5.Chopin
6.Bach
I also like the progressive Rock of the 70's (Genesis, Jethro Tull,
Manfred Mann's Earthband)
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Mit, 2004-03-31 um 19.48 schrieb Herbert
Here is my vote:
Bach
Morreno-Torroba
Villa-Lobos
Debussy
Silvestrov
Handel
Sorry, but I dislike Romantic music, so no Romantic composers in my list. And I can't
help
mentioning another few progressive Rock composers that I love:
Brian Eno
Dead Can Dance
Cocteau Twins
Kate Bush
Steve Hackett
PM
To: Lautenliste
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Hi Herb,
interesting poll!
1.Mendelssohn (who lived in the neighborhood for a while) 2.Beethoven
3.Händel 4.Purcell 5.Chopin
6.Bach
I also like the progressive Rock of the 70's (Genesis, Jethro Tull,
Manfred Mann's Earthband)
Best
Schall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:20 PM
To: Lautenliste
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Hi Herb,
interesting poll!
1.Mendelssohn (who lived in the neighborhood for a
while) 2.Beethoven
3.Händel 4.Purcell 5.Chopin
6.Bach
I also like
Oh yes! YES! I like Rick Wakeman and his the 6 wifes of Henry VIII ...
ELP is another band I really like - it was very popular to my music
teachers. Fanfare for a common man or their Mussorsky setting of
Pictures at an exhibition (along with Tomita's) ...
I also likes Kate Bush's cooperation with
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Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:20 PM
To: Lautenliste
Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll.
Hi Herb,
interesting poll!
1.Mendelssohn (who lived in the neighborhood for a
while) 2.Beethoven
3.Händel 4.Purcell 5.Chopin
6.Bach
I also like
Going by what I listen to most nowadays (some of them are not mentioned in
the list, but nonetheless...)
Henze,
Boulez,
Messiaen,
Beethoven,
Mozart,
Handel
in no particular order. If a 7th composer is allowed, then Ravel is also one
of them
Tom Beck
--
No-one so far has mentioned Weiss! Until now!!
Bach
Weiss
Beethoven
Wagner
Poulenc
Gerswin
Tomorrow, I'll probably look at this list of six and come up with
another list altogether!
David Rastall
On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:56 PM, David Rastall wrote:
No-one so far has mentioned Weiss! Until now!!
Okay: Non-lute composers. I didn't notice the non-lute part. Take
out Weiss, insert Britten.
Bach
Weiss
Beethoven
Wagner
Poulenc
Gerswin
Tomorrow, I'll probably look at
Bach
Buxtehude
Pachelbel
Chopin
Debussy
Rachmaninov
Hi all
On Wednesday 31 March 2004 20:48, Herbert Ward wrote:
Which non-lute post-Renaissance composers do we lutenists most
respect? List your 6 favorite, in descending order.
Interesting poll! So: must be post-renaissance and non-lute;
that means that for example Josquin and Haydn are
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