As a professional conservator of paintings(and also an enthusiastic follower of the
lute!) I suppose I should address this thread topic. Paintings, of course, are much
more to the beholder than mere physical objects. From past ages, even from our own
age, they carry a artistic vision: an i
> It becomes a toy for the grand-children, left in the sun, and generally
> tossed around like a piece of junk,
I once made a pinhole camera and gave it to some children from the church,
thinking they might be bemused, if not intrigued, by the "TV set" with no
metal, glass, or electricity. The
You've seen paintings of angels playing lutes, haven't you?
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From: "bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute society" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:24 PM
Subject: why paintings but no lutes
> "
"Relatives bequeathed such posessions are left with the problem of what
to
do with it. No one knows how to tune it! What 'musical' friends they
know, probably play something completely different and therefore have no
aptitude to learn to play a lute. It becomes a toy for the
grand-children,
le
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:58:28 -0600 (CST) Herbert Ward
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Support also comes ... from paintings
>
> It seems that much of the evidence about early lutes comes from
> paintings,
> which are about as flammable and fragile as lutes. Have we, in
> general,
> lost the
Bill,
With all due respect,
> at the risk of causing offense - paintings have more value. if the mob
> was at the gate and there was only seconds to spare, i think i'd opt
> for the caneletto too.
Paintings have more value in the market, and therefore more currency. If the
mob is at the gates o
It is sad that instruments seem to lose value over the years. The
instruments one finds at car-boot sales and auctions were once someones
pride and joy. Yet go for so little.
The lute in it's day was the equivalent to the piano. If one could afford
it, they had to have lessons, as well as a c
Ah, but you must take into account the historical
attitude people had towards their possessions; these
have changed over the many years since lutes were
common.
In example, porcelain objects were considered
priceless during the time lutes were common in Europe
since Europeans were late to disco
If the mob were at the gate, I'd definitely grab my instrument, lol.
bill wrote:
> at the risk of causing offense - paintings have more value. if the mob
> was at the gate and there was only seconds to spare, i think i'd opt
> for the caneletto too.
>
>
>
--
Rough-edged songs from a dark pla
at the risk of causing offense - paintings have more value. if the mob
was at the gate and there was only seconds to spare, i think i'd opt
for the caneletto too.
> The thing is, when a lute stops being a musician's working tool (e.g. the
> musician dies or gets a new lute) it becomes a piece of junk that's too
> much trouble to take care of.
This is probably part of the true answer. Because of the lute's decline
in popularity, inheritors of lutes may not
The thing is, when a lute stops being a musician's working tool (e.g. the
musician dies or gets a new lute) it becomes a piece of junk that's too
much trouble to take care of.
Herbert Ward wrote:
>
>> My not-so-scholarly take:
>> Good lutes were working tools and subject to the whims and clumsin
At 12:25 PM 03/08/2004 -0600, Herbert Ward wrote:
> > My not-so-scholarly take:
> > Good lutes were working tools and subject to the whims and clumsiness of
> > working musicians. Paintings were valuable decoration to be preserved
> well
> > out of the way of trouble.
>
>
>Seems like the owners
> My not-so-scholarly take:
> Good lutes were working tools and subject to the whims and clumsiness of
> working musicians. Paintings were valuable decoration to be preserved well
> out of the way of trouble.
Seems like the owners would have been more careful than to have destroyed
_all_ of t
FYI, the lute to hurdy-gurdy conversion is a bit of an urban myth.
RT
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> Holy Socks Roman, you got me again, there's just no getting one by you is
> there? You use the bonsai word like a gun, it's truly amazing. Tree house
t;lute list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Why paintings but no lutes?
> > Most of the existing old Lutes have been updated and converted
> > from their original configuration and some, I understand, were converted
> > into Hurdy Gurdys.
> That would be like building a tree-house in a bonsai..
> RT
>
>
> Most of the existing old Lutes have been updated and converted
> from their original configuration and some, I understand, were converted
> into Hurdy Gurdys.
That would be like building a tree-house in a bonsai..
RT
stand, were converted
into Hurdy Gurdys.
Vance Wood.
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From: "Herbert Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: Why paintings but no lutes?
>
> > Support also comes ... from paintings
&g
At 03:58 PM 03/05/2004 -0600, Herbert Ward wrote:
> > Support also comes ... from paintings
>
>It seems that much of the evidence about early lutes comes from paintings,
>which are about as flammable and fragile as lutes. Have we, in general,
>lost the lutes, but kept the paintings? If so, why?
> Support also comes ... from paintings
It seems that much of the evidence about early lutes comes from paintings,
which are about as flammable and fragile as lutes. Have we, in general,
lost the lutes, but kept the paintings? If so, why?
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