On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:08:45PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
[...]
This would indeed be a fantastic inset. It could in fact be fairly
easy to arrange -- the document preamble and class settings are taken
from the document being edited; the contents
On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:08:45PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
[...]
> > This would indeed be a fantastic inset. It could in fact be fairly
> > easy to arrange -- the document preamble and class settings are taken
> > from the document being edited; the
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:08:45PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
: inset external CANNOT and DOES NOT do what Jules was asking for.
That's all I'm saying.
Nothing does what Jules is asking for.
That's what I thought. That's why I asked for it.
I
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:08:45PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
> > : inset external CANNOT and DOES NOT do what Jules was asking for.
> >
> > That's all I'm saying.
>
> Nothing does what Jules is asking for.
That's what I thought. That's why I asked for it.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 01:50:29PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
Thankyou for agreeing that inset external is not a sufficient mechanism for making
lyx
extendible !
No. The problem is more restricted than you imply. InsetExternal is
_inappropriate_ for extending LyX's LaTeX support it is
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
personally I have no real desire for embedding. But that is most definitely
not the point
Then why raise it as an issue?
: inset external CANNOT and DOES NOT do what Jules was asking for.
That's all I'm saying.
Nothing does what Jules is asking for.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 01:50:29PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
> > Thankyou for agreeing that inset external is not a sufficient mechanism for making
>lyx
> > extendible !
>
> No. The problem is more restricted than you imply. InsetExternal is
> _inappropriate_ for extending LyX's LaTeX support
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
> personally I have no real desire for embedding. But that is most definitely
> not the point
Then why raise it as an issue?
> : inset external CANNOT and DOES NOT do what Jules was asking for.
>
> That's all I'm saying.
Nothing does what Jules is asking
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:01:07PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
I agree with this, I was just playing devil's advocate against your comment that
the external inset can do anything remotely like what was asked for : it can't.
Perhaps the wrong question was being asked of it?
exactly !
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 09:07, Jules Bean wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:16:09PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
[snip]
Well, likely I should re-examine Dia. But, let me answer that
question as a LaTeX user, before considering how the answer might
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 10:52:28AM +0100, Otto Tronarp wrote:
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 09:07, Jules Bean wrote:
1) Because if I use LaTeX, the labels at the points, and on the
arrows, can be arbitrary math objects. Can Dia do a blackboard bold R
to the power of n?
I think there was a
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:01:07PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
I agree with this, I was just playing devil's advocate against your comment that
the external inset can do anything remotely like what was asked for : it can't.
Perhaps the wrong
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:01:07PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
> > I agree with this, I was just playing devil's advocate against your comment that
> > the external inset can do anything remotely like what was asked for : it can't.
>
> Perhaps the wrong question was being asked of it?
exactly !
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 09:07, Jules Bean wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:16:09PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
> > On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
> >
[snip]
> Well, likely I should re-examine Dia. But, let me answer that
> question as a LaTeX user, before considering how the answer might
>
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 10:52:28AM +0100, Otto Tronarp wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 09:07, Jules Bean wrote:
> > 1) Because if I use LaTeX, the labels at the points, and on the
> > arrows, can be arbitrary math objects. Can Dia do a blackboard bold R
> > to the power of n?
> I think there
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:01:07PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
>
> > > I agree with this, I was just playing devil's advocate against your comment that
> > > the external inset can do anything remotely like what was asked for : it can't.
> >
> > Perhaps the
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 06:33:20PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:28:45PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
The hardest bit of exposing an API is factoring your application into
commands. Thanks to LFUNs, LyX is already factored!
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
[...]
We discussed this feature at the last LyX developers meeting
in Norway, but we did not have the time to implement it. I don't
think it would be too hard to do it, but the
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
[...]
Yes, most things I've ever needed to do have existed as LaTeX
packages. So, all I'm asking for is LyX support for them. But I
can't expect LyX support for all the packages on CTAN, and, equally,
new packages are being written all the time. So I'm
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:16:09PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
Unless dia is *far* better than it was when I last looked, it's still
essentially a graphical tool. WYSIWYG, in other words. I search for
a more formal, logical, WYSIWYM approach. I just
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 06:33:20PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:28:45PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> > > The hardest bit of exposing an API is factoring your application into
> > > commands. Thanks to LFUNs, LyX is already
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
[...]
> > We discussed this feature at the last LyX developers meeting
> > in Norway, but we did not have the time to implement it. I don't
> > think it would be too hard to do it,
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
[...]
> Yes, most things I've ever needed to do have existed as LaTeX
> packages. So, all I'm asking for is LyX support for them. But I
> can't expect LyX support for all the packages on CTAN, and, equally,
> new packages are being written all the time. So
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:16:09PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
>
> > Unless dia is *far* better than it was when I last looked, it's still
> > essentially a graphical tool. WYSIWYG, in other words. I search for
> > a more formal, logical, WYSIWYM approach.
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
[snip]
Boy, folks, he sure doesn't speak up much anymore, but when he does say
something, he says a lot! ;)
--
John Weiss
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
[snip]
Boy, folks, he sure doesn't speak up much anymore, but when he does say
something, he says a lot! ;)
--
John Weiss
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
Something which I think would really be a *killer* feature for LyX
would be the ability to write plug-ins to handle custom environments.
You can do what you want with the external material inset that is already
there.
Greets,
Asger
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:16:36PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
Something which I think would really be a *killer* feature for LyX
would be the ability to write plug-ins to handle custom environments.
You can do what you want with the external material inset that is already
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
no you can't. the external material inset is very basic and provides no
interface inside lyx, which is what he was asking for.
Suppose we wanted to implement the spread-sheet functionality that Martin
recently hacked up. In overall terms, which approaches
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 07:30:16AM -0800, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote:
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm neither, but
I have attended a
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
In other words: Rather than building a new API for accessing the
LyX document, we exploit that we already have such an API: The
LyX format!
this is really a moot point.
We discussed this feature at the last LyX
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
2) In a distant future, the entire LyX document data-structure is
inspectable and manipulatable via an API. I.e. LyX becomes
a component in the sense of COM technology on Windows, or
KParts in KDE. An
Jules Bean wrote:
Yes, most things I've ever needed to do have existed as LaTeX
packages. So, all I'm asking for is LyX support for them. But I
can't expect LyX support for all the packages on CTAN, and, equally,
new packages are being written all the time. So I'm asking for a way
to
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 09:15:03AM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
Andre Poenitz wrote:
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm neither, but
I
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 09:06:13AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm neither, but
I have attended a category
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 05:19:16PM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
agreed!
Herbert
is that a volunteer I hear :)
john
--
Mathemeticians stand on each other's shoulders while computer scientists
stand on each other's toes.
- Richard Hamming
John Levon wrote:
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 05:19:16PM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
agreed!
Herbert
is that a volunteer I hear :)
my english is poor ... I don't understand what you mean :-)
Herbert
--
http://www.lyx.org/help/
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
Furthermore, I think we should draw another bold conclusion: Nobody would
really make full use of a complete document API either. People might
say that they would, but in reality, it would still be simpler just to
hack
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:28:45PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
As a partial counter-example, look at the 'sketch' vector editor,
For another counter-example, GIMP.
neither of these applications are lyx.
The hardest bit of exposing an API is factoring your application into
commands. Thanks to
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:14:53PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
But there *is* no external program to draw commutative diagrams that
we could call. And even if there were, the poor external program
would have to contain a re-implementation of mathed for the labels and
arrow-labels.
I guess the
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:28:45PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
The hardest bit of exposing an API is factoring your application into
commands. Thanks to LFUNs, LyX is already factored!
Not everything could be doine using LFUNs only, and the current collection
of LFUNs is a big mess. Exposing
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 06:30:45PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:14:53PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
But there *is* no external program to draw commutative diagrams that
we could call. And even if there were, the poor external program
would have to contain a
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:02:12PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 07:30:16AM -0800, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote:
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
topologists often want to draw
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 06:33:20PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:28:45PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
The hardest bit of exposing an API is factoring your application into
commands. Thanks to LFUNs, LyX is already factored!
Not everything could be doine using LFUNs
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Jules Bean wrote:
> Something which I think would really be a *killer* feature for LyX
> would be the ability to write plug-ins to handle custom environments.
You can do what you want with the external material inset that is already
there.
Greets,
Asger
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:16:36PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
> > Something which I think would really be a *killer* feature for LyX
> > would be the ability to write plug-ins to handle custom environments.
>
> You can do what you want with the external material inset that is
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, John Levon wrote:
> no you can't. the external material inset is very basic and provides no
> interface inside lyx, which is what he was asking for.
Suppose we wanted to implement the spread-sheet functionality that Martin
recently hacked up. In overall terms, which
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 07:30:16AM -0800, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> > As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
> > topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm neither, but
> > I have attended a
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
> In other words: Rather than building a new API for accessing the
> LyX document, we exploit that we already have such an API: The
> LyX format!
this is really a moot point.
> We discussed this feature at the last LyX
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
>
> 2) In a distant future, the entire LyX document data-structure is
>inspectable and manipulatable via an API. I.e. LyX becomes
>a component in the sense of COM technology on Windows, or
>KParts in KDE. An
Jules Bean wrote:
> Yes, most things I've ever needed to do have existed as LaTeX
> packages. So, all I'm asking for is LyX support for them. But I
> can't expect LyX support for all the packages on CTAN, and, equally,
> new packages are being written all the time. So I'm asking for a way
>
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 09:15:03AM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
> Andre Poenitz wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> >
> >>As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
> >>topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 09:06:13AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> > As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
> > topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm neither, but
> > I have attended a
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 05:19:16PM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
> agreed!
>
> Herbert
is that a volunteer I hear >:)
john
--
"Mathemeticians stand on each other's shoulders while computer scientists
stand on each other's toes."
- Richard Hamming
John Levon wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 05:19:16PM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
>
>
>>agreed!
>>
>>Herbert
>>
>
> is that a volunteer I hear >:)
my english is poor ... I don't understand what you mean :-)
Herbert
--
http://www.lyx.org/help/
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:55:07PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
> Furthermore, I think we should draw another bold conclusion: Nobody would
> really make full use of a complete document API either. People might
> say that they would, but in reality, it would still be simpler just to
>
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:28:45PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> As a partial counter-example, look at the 'sketch' vector editor,
> For another counter-example, GIMP.
neither of these applications are lyx.
> The hardest bit of exposing an API is factoring your application into
> commands.
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:14:53PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> But there *is* no external program to draw commutative diagrams that
> we could call. And even if there were, the poor external program
> would have to contain a re-implementation of mathed for the labels and
> arrow-labels.
I guess
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:28:45PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> The hardest bit of exposing an API is factoring your application into
> commands. Thanks to LFUNs, LyX is already factored!
Not everything could be doine using LFUNs only, and the current collection
of LFUNs is a big mess. Exposing
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 06:30:45PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:14:53PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> > But there *is* no external program to draw commutative diagrams that
> > we could call. And even if there were, the poor external program
> > would have to contain a
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:02:12PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 07:30:16AM -0800, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> > > As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
> > > topologists often want to
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 06:33:20PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:28:45PM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> > The hardest bit of exposing an API is factoring your application into
> > commands. Thanks to LFUNs, LyX is already factored!
>
> Not everything could be doine using
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm neither, but
I have attended a category theory course, and I wrote up my notes in
LyX. I had to do with
Andre Poenitz wrote:
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm neither, but
I have attended a category theory course, and I wrote up my notes in
LyX.
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
> topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm neither, but
> I have attended a category theory course, and I wrote up my notes in
> LyX. I had to do
Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
>
>>As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of, categorists and
>>topologists often want to draw commutative diagrams. I'm neither, but
>>I have attended a category theory course, and I wrote up my notes
This message is not at all apropos of getting 1.2 released, so read it
when you're in a dreamy mood.
Something which I think would really be a *killer* feature for LyX
would be the ability to write plug-ins to handle custom environments.
As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of,
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
This message is not at all apropos of getting 1.2 released, so read it
when you're in a dreamy mood.
Something which I think would really be a *killer* feature for LyX
would be the ability to write plug-ins to handle custom
This message is not at all apropos of getting 1.2 released, so read it
when you're in a dreamy mood.
Something which I think would really be a *killer* feature for LyX
would be the ability to write plug-ins to handle custom environments.
As an example of the kind of thing I'm thinking of,
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +, Jules Bean wrote:
> This message is not at all apropos of getting 1.2 released, so read it
> when you're in a dreamy mood.
>
> Something which I think would really be a *killer* feature for LyX
> would be the ability to write plug-ins to handle custom
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