Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-15 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009, Bo Peng wrote: You can trust me on this. I am already retired so the most I can do is sending a few suggestions when some emails happen to catch my eyes. Vincent can ignore those comments at his own discretion. Hi Bo, I hope I speak for everybody when I say it's very

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-15 Thread Bo Peng
I hope I speak for everybody when I say it's very nice to hear from you again[*]. Thanks. I still browse list emails from time to time and you know what topic attracts me most. :-) I hope your pmwiki problem at sourceforge is fully resolved now. sourceforge.net does not allow sendmail so I

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-15 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009, Bo Peng wrote: You can trust me on this. I am already retired so the most I can do is sending a few suggestions when some emails happen to catch my eyes. Vincent can ignore those comments at his own discretion. Hi Bo, I hope I speak for everybody when I say it's very

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-15 Thread Bo Peng
> I hope I speak for everybody when I say it's very nice to hear from you > again[*]. Thanks. I still browse list emails from time to time and you know what topic attracts me most. :-) > I hope your pmwiki problem at sourceforge is fully resolved now. sourceforge.net does not allow sendmail so

RE: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
I guess I'll look forward to LyX 2.0 and embedding! I am not sure about this. The whole embedding/bundling feature was postponed indefinitely due to discrepancies between developers. Because I have retired from the development of LyX, you will not see an embedding feature in LyX 2.0 unless

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Bo Peng
I'm sort of working on the subject.. How do you think of David's proposal? Do you already have your own proposal or even implementation somewhere? Bo

RE: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
I'm sort of working on the subject.. How do you think of David's proposal? Do you already have your own proposal or even implementation somewhere? Hi Bo, It's nice to see that David is thinking with us, but as you said, I think the proposal is not shockingly different from the things that

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: If we have such a list we can easily implement Export to directory.., which is step 1 of the embedding/bundling feature (IMHO). ... and already make a good chunk of the users happy! Well, at least one. :) /Konrad

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: - to implement the features incrementally, because I'm afraid that if I propose one large patch sometime, that we will end up in a never-ending discussion. I think the feature is separable into small chunks, which we can discuss individually. - not to

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: I'm sort of working on the subject.. How do you think of David's proposal? Do you already have your own proposal or even implementation somewhere? Hi Bo, It's nice to see that David is thinking with us, but as you said, I think the

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Bo Peng
Not that I am an expert but you first step is OK with me. Note that you kind of already have that with the Navigator for InsetGraphics. But the need for a manifest file/registration has not been agreed upon (my embedding approach does not need it). I disagree with your incremental approach

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng wrote: Not that I am an expert but you first step is OK with me. Note that you kind of already have that with the Navigator for InsetGraphics. But the need for a manifest file/registration has not been agreed upon (my embedding approach does not need it). We are only talking

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Bo Peng
We are only talking about maintaining a list of links in the Buffer structure within LyX itself, not in an external manifest file. Sorry, I have not traced the development of LyX for a while... Please, no drama this time :-) You can trust me on this. I am already retired so the most I can

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Richard Heck
Pavel Sanda wrote: Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: I'd be happy to get feedback from you (and other experts on this issue), its very good somebody detached from the past flames works on this and i hope we won't lose next developer :) it would be indeed better to dissect the

RE: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
>> I guess I'll look forward to LyX 2.0 and embedding! > >I am not sure about this. The whole embedding/bundling feature >was postponed indefinitely due to discrepancies between developers. >Because I have retired from the development of LyX, you will not >see an embedding feature in LyX 2.0

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Bo Peng
> I'm sort of working on the subject.. How do you think of David's proposal? Do you already have your own proposal or even implementation somewhere? Bo

RE: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
>> I'm sort of working on the subject.. > >How do you think of David's proposal? Do you already have >your own proposal or even implementation somewhere? > Hi Bo, It's nice to see that David is thinking with us, but as you said, I think the proposal is not shockingly different from the

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: If we have such a list we can easily implement "Export to directory..", which is step 1 of the embedding/bundling feature (IMHO). ... and already make a good chunk of the users happy! Well, at least one. :) /Konrad

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: > - to implement the features incrementally, because I'm afraid that if I > propose one large patch sometime, that we will end up in a never-ending > discussion. I think the feature is separable into small chunks, which we > can discuss individually. > > - not

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: I'm sort of working on the subject.. How do you think of David's proposal? Do you already have your own proposal or even implementation somewhere? Hi Bo, It's nice to see that David is thinking with us, but as you said, I think the

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Bo Peng
> Not that I am an expert but you first step is OK with me. Note that you kind > of already have that with the Navigator for InsetGraphics. But the need for a manifest file/registration has not been agreed upon (my embedding approach does not need it). I disagree with your incremental approach

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng wrote: Not that I am an expert but you first step is OK with me. Note that you kind of already have that with the Navigator for InsetGraphics. But the need for a manifest file/registration has not been agreed upon (my embedding approach does not need it). We are only talking

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Bo Peng
> We are only talking about maintaining a list of links in the Buffer structure > within LyX itself, > not in an external manifest file. Sorry, I have not traced the development of LyX for a while... > Please, no drama this time :-) You can trust me on this. I am already retired so the most I

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-13 Thread Richard Heck
Pavel Sanda wrote: Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: I'd be happy to get feedback from you (and other experts on this issue), its very good somebody detached from the past flames works on this and i hope we won't lose next developer :) it would be indeed better to dissect the

Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread David Mertens
Greetings all - I wanted to offer a suggestion about a portable LyX file format. This was recently brought up on the LyX-users mailing list and has been discussed previously (heatedly?) as documented here - http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/BundleSuggestions - and here - http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Peng
This allows for a lossless .lyx - .plyx - .lyx conversion. Although .plyx - .lyx - .plyx could be lossy, a script could be used to update the manifest of a new .plyx file based on an old .plyx file to minimize the loss. The lossy .plyx - .lyx - .plyx conversion has been the center of all

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread David Mertens
Hello Bo - Thanks for your thoughts. I skimmed your pdf but I'll have to give it a fuller read later. In the meantime I wanted to respond to your post. The lossy .plyx - .lyx - .plyx conversion has been the center of all discussions. As I envision things, the actual conversion of .plyx -

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread David Mertens
Apparently the file that I attached is interpreted (in my OS/browser) as a .bin file when I try to download it. I'm assuming that's because firefox is choking on it due to the lack of a file extension, or it's Linux and the file starts with a period and that's a magic number...? I've made a

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Peng
Thanks for your thoughts. I skimmed your pdf but I'll have to give it a fuller read later. In the meantime I wanted to respond to your post. I skimmed your file and it does not seem to differ much from a previous bundling implementation. (I can be wrong here but the manifest file etc were

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread David Mertens
Hey Bo, thanks again for your responses. it does not seem to differ much from a previous bundling implementation... It was due to a lot of technical and usage difficulties that that implementation was reverted. I found a thread from about a year ago

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Peng
I found a thread from about a year ago here which may be what you're talking about. There were several flame wars about embedding ... to a level that the whole lyx-devel mailinglist was hijacked and everyone involved was 2nd degree burned. The unfruitful discussions eventually leaded to my

Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread David Mertens
Greetings all - I wanted to offer a suggestion about a portable LyX file format. This was recently brought up on the LyX-users mailing list and has been discussed previously (heatedly?) as documented here - http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/BundleSuggestions - and here - http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Peng
> This allows for a > lossless .lyx -> .plyx -> .lyx conversion. Although .plyx -> .lyx -> .plyx > could be lossy, a script could be used to update the manifest of a new .plyx > file based on an old .plyx file to minimize the loss. The lossy .plyx -> .lyx -> .plyx conversion has been the center

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread David Mertens
Hello Bo - Thanks for your thoughts. I skimmed your pdf but I'll have to give it a fuller read later. In the meantime I wanted to respond to your post. The lossy .plyx -> .lyx -> .plyx conversion has been the center of all > discussions. > As I envision things, the actual conversion of .plyx

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread David Mertens
Apparently the file that I attached is interpreted (in my OS/browser) as a .bin file when I try to download it. I'm assuming that's because firefox is choking on it due to the lack of a file extension, or it's Linux and the file starts with a period and that's a magic number...? I've made a

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Peng
> Thanks for your thoughts. I skimmed your pdf but I'll have to give it a > fuller read later. In the meantime I wanted to respond to your post. I skimmed your file and it does not seem to differ much from a previous bundling implementation. (I can be wrong here but the manifest file etc were

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread David Mertens
Hey Bo, thanks again for your responses. it does not seem to differ much from a previous bundling implementation... > It was due to a lot of technical and usage difficulties that that > implementation was reverted. > I found a thread from about a year ago

Re: Portable LyX File Format

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Peng
> I found a thread from about a year ago here which may be what you're talking > about. There were several flame wars about embedding ... to a level that the whole lyx-devel mailinglist was hijacked and everyone involved was 2nd degree burned. The unfruitful discussions eventually leaded to my