You have my blessing to remove me from this list. As a retired veterinarian, emeritus professor, deaf-blind individual, rower, cross-county skier, and guide dog owner, I have in the past, and continue do do so today, belonged to numerous lists. And and I have never encountered such rude list owners in my life. Obviously, you don't like your hypocritical boat . being rocked, because it was YOU Lynn. YES, YOU Lynn who posted those nonsense subject headings! Finally, before you terminate me forever from this list, I would like to point out that one of your list controllers (James Austin) answered this query of mine on-list and posted the same question to you and Gordon! Linda Mumford
-- On Aug 3, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > Hello Linda > > I am taking the liberty of replying off list, and also carbon copying this to > our two assistant list controllers so that they know precisely what I have > said to you, in the event of any query or dispute. > > It has come to our notice Linda, that you have recently made a couple of list > administration related comments on list. Whilst Gordon and I welcome your > feedback, since you have repeatedly made reference to list rules, as you call > them, (list policy, as we prefer to phrase it), not that it really matters, I > would point out to you that it is also stipulated in list policy that, should > you have any questions or comments regarding list policy, you should not post > them to the list; but contact either the support address, > <supp...@mac-access.net>, whence this message is being sent, or either of our > two very able and capable list controllers: > Anne Robertson, <a...@anarchie.org.uk>, or: > James Austin, <james.aus...@mac-access.net> > and one of us will be delighted to address your questions directly. If you > opt to contact the assistant list controllers and they don't feel it > appropriate for them to do so, they will forward your request to us directly > and we will address it. > > In this particular instance, I also wanted to explain to you the situation so > that you understand where we're going. Gordon and I run this list, along with > all other mac Access Dot Net resources. Therefore, our decisions related to > the list are final. If people don't like the way we run it, they're at > perfect liberty to leave the group. That said, we always try to listen and to > engage in constructive dialogue with our members wherever possible. We have, > unfortunately, had a couple of situations arise recently where we have had to > remove people from the group because of unacceptable behaviour and or > attitudes. I sincerely hope that won't happen again; as it's something that > gives us no satisfaction whatsoever. > > We will not, however, permit * anybody * to turn Mac Access into a flame war. > If * anybody * tries to do so, they will be moderated as a first resort and, > if they still do not comply, they will be removed. > > I am not suggesting that in any way you have done anything wrong. I'm simply > making the situation clear so that everybody concerned has a full > understanding of the position. Gordon and I run these groups as a "hubby", > alongside our professional and, just at the moment, very stressful personal > commitments. Therefore, we are not always able to devote as much time to the > group as we would like. Sometimes, it is inevitable that things get missed; > although we do try to monitor list traffic as closely as possible. > > As recent events have shown, we're not perfect Linda; we do make mistakes and > in those events we're more than willing to hold up our hand and admit to > having done so and, where appropriate, apologise. > > In recent times, as you would see if you were to take the time and trouble to > check out the archives of the list over recent weeks and months, I have made > numerous requests on list for people to observe subject lines. However, > Linda, we are simply not able to "force" people to comply all the time; and > it's true to say also that I and, possibly, yourself have missed the > opportunity to make changes as traffic on list has increased significantly as > the number of members grows. > > So Linda, in summary, I would ask you please to refrain from sending > administrative requests to the group, although I want to make it clear to you > that I fully understand that your motives were in no way malicious. I > understand your frustration and, in actual fact, I share it. But this is a > matter which members need to discuss with the administrators, as doing so on > list contravenes list policy in itself, and, I would also point out that we > can act more quickly if you bring it to our attention off list as messages to > the support address are always prioritised. If you have queries or comments > regarding the way the list is administered or the behaviour of members, > please bring the issue to the attention of one of the above mentioned people > and we will be happy to investigate and take the appropriate action. > > Once again, I have taken the liberty of making the assistant list controllers > aware of the contents of my message to you. So feel free to do as you will > from this point. We will consider the issue closed unless you wish to comment > further. But be assured Linda that we are doing everything in our power to > make things as simple as possible for our members. But it isn't possible to > catch everything that hits the group unless we place members into moderator > mode which is something we would do only as a last resort. > > I hope I have addressed your issue satisfactorily; but please feel free to > contact one of us if you feel that you require further clarification or > information. However, be aware that when it comes to it, although we are > always more than willing to listen to constructive criticisms or suggestions, > Gordon and I finance and run this group; and, therefore, our decisions which > we believe to be in the best interests of the group as a whole, are final and > binding. We now have over 200 members in this group and it simply isn't > possible for us to monitor everything all the time. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/>
