Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-27 Thread Travis Siegel
The only thing I've noticed that affects whether or not I can navigate tables as rows/columns is how the table is defined in the html code. If it's truly a table (using and tags, it seems to work just fine, and it doesn't matter if it has tags or not for table headers. Unfortunately, mo

Re: Navigating tables

2014-08-24 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Actually I have tab set to interact automatically, actually That's on by default so for me I'm not even paying attention to any fraims but hitting l and shift l in qn quick button mode to get around farily quicly, no intraction needed. Thanks lion for introducing this neat feature. A bit of a t

Re: Yosemite was Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-24 Thread Devin Prater
I know they’ve improved Alex, that’s what I heard while I still ran the beta. On Aug 23, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote: > Well, let's see what Yosemite brings to the table shall we? I know > accessibility probably wasn't discussed thoroughly if at all in the Keynote > on Yosem

Re: Navigating tables

2014-08-24 Thread Sean Murphy
Hi, I have to retract my previous comment about Safari on the Mac and Vo with the Audible pages. I have just identify the problem. It was a user error. Lol. When you move to the previous row in the same column. Vo takes you to the last element in the cell. When you move to the next row in the s

Re: Navigating tables

2014-08-23 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Acutally all you do to get to the prior colomsn is jsut hold down vo and hot up down. Same about navigating across rows. It really is not that big of an issue. You can also junp to the bottom of a table wiht vo shift fn end. I do this all the time on gmail's basic page. YOu can also use vo f to

Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-23 Thread Sean Murphy
Sorry, I am not rosy glassed as a lot of Apple users. All OS screen readers have problems. Some more then others. The table navigation in VO on the Mac Safari is lacking. Basic navigation to the previous cell in the same column should work on all tables. Specially when other assistive technolog

Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-23 Thread Sarah k Alawami
No issues at all actually. I can fly around almost any table, about 99 percent of them. Sometimes I run in to them, Jk, but really safari and tables and tables in general with osx is really quite simple. and as for the help docs dont' read them as they show you the long way to do stuff. I had

Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-23 Thread gs
I'll leave it to the experts then if that's what it takes to achieve proper table navigation. I use the tools as they are advertised and documented in the help and tutorials. There are significant issues. On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: Actually table navigation rocks an

Yosemite was Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-23 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Well, let's see what Yosemite brings to the table shall we? I know accessibility probably wasn't discussed thoroughly if at all in the Keynote on Yosemite, but I bet you $10 Apple has been working behind the scenes to improve VoiceOver or add new features and capabilities. Christopher Hallswor

Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-23 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Actually table navigation rocks and I use it in a work environment, mainly the creation of my websites and music sites. You just need to knwo how to use the tools at hand. Tae care. On Aug 23, 2014, at 11:30 AM, gs wrote: > Hmm. I'll try this next time I want to read a table. But I have to

Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-23 Thread gs
Hmm. I'll try this next time I want to read a table. But I have to say that the table navigation is so poor with the column weirdness that I'm glad I don't have to use a Mac in a work environment. I love it for what it does well but can't understand why there are not more incremental improvem

Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-23 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I just hit vo up and down arrow on the colomns. this often works except on certain web pages. I hate qn for some reason, and yes I know how to use it. lol! I did some materials on it, but I personally don't use it. On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote: > Ok here is a tip

Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

2014-08-23 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Ok here is a tip for you all. 1. Make sure quicknav is on with left-right. 2. Go to a table by pressing either t or vo-command-t. 3. Use the rotor command until you find navigation. Rotor is left-up or right-up. 4. Now press either up or down by itself and see if you can navigate the table bette