Well, thanks much for the insight into the source of your information if nothing else. Generally, if I'm walking in the rain and others tell me the sun is shining, I will go with what I can share from personal experience, and accordingly suggest a rain coat. Now I know that when you say JMT, you are in reality sharing what you read on other lists from people who may or may not have conducted their own investigation.
For the benefit of those who may have recently joined, or just became interested in Navigon, I will repost my initial findings after installing version 2, since I for one would not have understood the instructions below unless I already knew what the person was attempting to convey. On Nov 18, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Greetings y'all, This afternoon I took a trip via Para transit. I pulled the destination up in favorites, set the route type to "car" and started navigation. There were a couple other pick-ups/drop-offs along the way, resulting in the need for a lot of rerouting. Throughout the nearly 50 minute trip, Navigon continuously gave directions even though I was concurrently streaming Audio, reading eMail and playing with Ariadne GPS just for good measure. Navigon was rarely ever in the foreground. While in the foreground, however, I discovered that double tapping the speed indicator, located in the top center of the main Navigon routing Window just below the status line consistently presented a dialog where I have the option of quitting the route, adding an interim destination, and several other choices. It was only a matter of time, but while Navigon 2.0 includes current maps, it now requires a $15 in-app purchase in order to receive quarterly updates (the duration was unspecified, but I would presume it's yearly?). Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" <marri...@gmail.com> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:02 PM Subject: Re: My results using Navigon NorthAmerica v2 on a 4S. > Hmm interesting. I still don't like it. I have a live journal finding at > http://marrie12.livejournal.com and voice over still slows to a crawl > after about 4 or 5 minutes of use. This to me is not acceptable. I also > hacve an audio boo posting at http://audioboo.fm/marrie1 showing this as > well. I wish they would fix this. ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Waaler To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Re: My results using Navigon NorthAmerica v2 on a 4S. Hi Sarah and list, Your LiveJournal post was very well done and may serve as an excellent resource for anyone who is having trouble getting started. I listened to your Audio demo several times, and followed along, even to the point of adding my nearest Subway to my favorites. First of all, there is a huge disparity in our load times. I counted about 13 seconds until Navigon loaded for you. On mine I hear two double beeps instead of one. The first occurs after about four seconds and the second is emitted two seconds later when Navigon is completely launched. I would therefore conclude that my load time is about 44% of what you're seeing. Perhaps this accounts for my lack of sluggishness. I am not observing any crashes or slowdowns whatsoever. I will continue to watch this because if a memory leak accounts for this, I too should be bitten by that bug eventually regardless of the faster processor. Upon further testing, I need to correct one of my observations from my prior post in this thread. Though I can reliably cancel a route, this will place me into a navigation window where I can display GPS data. I can not enter another destination without first relaunching Navigon. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Bubba To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:18 AM Subject: RE: Bad-Elf Well, there is a way to close it and get to the options without closing Navigan and the the running of it slower and more slugfest than on the iphone4s is due to the fact that the iphone4s has a much better processer and other hardware. I use it on my iphone3gs and it runs just fine if I only run navigan and nothing else in the background. This is because nothing else is really using processer and memory other than normal phone operation and Vo. Yes accessibility is sort of in the beholder of the device or whatever! But for most there is a accessibility problem with navigon I use it just fine myself and really have no difficulty with it ! But I know of lots of other that is having terrible problems with it and accessibility ! I would say this is because of their ability to use technology and having a short fuse! But there is some accessibility problems. This is my thoughts and opinion and that only! Now they say to get to the options is to click on the speed dial on the device and it will bring up the options. I have not yet tried this as I have not had to use the options during the navigation and when I get to my destination I just hit the home key and then bring up the app switcher and close it out this is not hard at all an my preferred way. Yes you can do it your way you talked about and nothing wrong with that. I prefer the other way myself. Also there is unable graphic at the top left hand corner that looks like a window sort of my wife says and I can get to it with a few tries it don't say anything or really make any sound other than sort of a bonking sound and then you can double tap on it and it will bring up some options and one of them is to exit. But it is just easier to close the app totally out. Now since there is no easy way to get to options this does make a accessibility problem but nothing that cannot be worked around. But like I say this is my Opinion and my only. Other thinks like you but not many that there is no accessibility problems and the majority of the blind thinks it stinks and have reverted back to the old one if they still had it till the accessibility problems are fixed, while a few are like me and say there is accessibility problems but easily worked around. JMO ! Bubba bubbatheg...@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:10 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Bad-Elf Perception of accessibility is subjective, however, to reiterate my prior post on this topic, I believe that for those using an iPhone 4S, Navigon 2.0 is absolutely no less accessible than the previous version. While its true that its no longer possible to cancel a route or change the speed profile while navigating without closing the app (a situation that I presume is unique to voiceOver dependent users), the trade-off is that GPS data such as velocity and coordinates have been rendered more easily readable. Thanks to Sarah, I discovered that Navigon loads in less than half the time on my 4S than on her iPhone 4. Most likely related to the load time disparity is the fact that in rather extensive testing now, I've observed no voiceOver sluggishness whatsoever. Note that it is not necessary to remove Navigon (or any app for that matter) from the app switcher in order to close it. This can also be accomplished by holding down the power button until the shutdown dialog appears and then pressing and holding home until a little beep is emitted. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" <bubbatheg...@gmail.com> To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" <mac-access@mac-access.net> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:33 PM Subject: RE: Bad-Elf >I still use Navigant and the newest version it has some issue from > accessibility point but still very workable. Not as friendly as it used to > be but very workable. The biggest thing is I think is to just set up your > preface before you start your navigation and then you really don't need to > access them till you get to your destination and then all you need to do > is > close the app all the way out even out of the app switcher. 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