another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi, Yet another change to the Apple UI in Mountain Lion which is annoying the hell out of me is the change to the behaviour of tab or shift tab in Mail. Previously if I were on a message list I could hit shift-tab and go to the mailboxes list. Now, it takes me all over the place. Anyone else

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hi Donald, yes it behaves for me the same as it does for you. It is annoying but I can live with it. Paul Hopewell On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:41, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi, Yet another change to the Apple UI in Mountain Lion which is annoying the hell out of me

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread ShamelessFanGirl
Good morning, You can jump from the mailboxes list to the list of the messages contained within each by using cmd accent/whatever the key is just above the tab key. Just discovered that by accident, but I hope it helps someone. Have fun everyone, and continue playing! :) On Jul 26, 2012, at

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Not for me I'm afraid. Interestingly, vo-j jumps from mailboxes to messages, but not back. Incidentally, for those using a British keyboard, the accent key is to the left of Shift beside Z. On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:47, ShamelessFanGirl wrote: Good morning, You can jump from the mailboxes

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
I've bugged that one as well Paul. A while back in fact. On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:46, Paul Hopewell wrote: Hi Donald, yes it behaves for me the same as it does for you. It is annoying but I can live with it. Paul Hopewell On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:41, Dónal Fitzpatrick

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Thomas McMahan
Same here, but don't often do that anyway. Interact in message so have to back out of that then just vo left arrow twice and there I am. But I remember the days of tiger when using tab went all over like now, that's probably why I never got into the habit of doing that. On Jul 26, 2012, at

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi Donal This has been the subject of much discussion. The only way I know to minimalist the change is to hide the Favourites bar and other things that I personally never use. Also, you might want to change the layout to Classic under the View preferences tab. Unfortunately though, Mail

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Gordon Smith
That doesn't work for me, it never has in all the time i've been using ML. The best way I've found is to VO+Left/Right cursor twice. Gordon On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:47, ShamelessFanGirl shamelessfang...@gmail.com wrote: You can jump from the mailboxes list to the list of the messages contained

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi Gordon, I'm afraid I'm a demon for using generic keyboard access rather than screenreader commands when possible. I do this because if I'm on a machine with no screenreader I can still get around reasonably efficiently. I've used the VO-left/right to navigate. However to me it just seems

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi Donal Yes, I agree with you totally on that point. I much prefer to use OS key stroke for much the same reasons. However, look at this particular problem logically. Are you really going to be using Mail without a screen-reader? Gordon On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:07, Dónal Fitzpatrick

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
probably not Gordon, but why fix something that isn't broken? If we look at how a sighted user navigates from messages to mailboxes it's a mousemovement and a click on the appropriate mailbox. Under Lion, it was one keystroke (albeit involving two keys) and the initial letters of the folder

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Chris Moore
Using a machine that does not have screen reader access? Have I just warped onto the Windows or Linux mailing list? HINT; Press command and F5 on any Mac and you will get a screen reader! *Sticks tongue out! Chris On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:07, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
*claps hands* touché that man! :-) On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:32, Chris Moore wrote: Using a machine that does not have screen reader access? Have I just warped onto the Windows or Linux mailing list? HINT; Press command and F5 on any Mac and you will get a screen reader! *Sticks tongue out!

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Marcy Weinberg
Is this behavior the same with the preview pane closed? On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Donal This has been the subject of much discussion. The only way I know to minimalist the change is to hide the Favourites bar and other things that I personally never use. Also, you

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi Donal This changed in Mountain Lion because of changes to the functionality and the on-screen display. Yes, it is bound to get up peoples noses for a while but, I don't know whether you remember, similar changes happened when we upgraded from Tiger to Leopard, from Leopard to Snow Leopard

Re: another mail bug or feature

2012-07-26 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi Marcy I'm not sure since we have the preview panel disabled. Gordon On 26 Jul 2012, at 15:02, Marcy Weinberg marcy.weinbe...@gmail.com wrote: Is this behavior the same with the preview pane closed? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your