Just so you know, we are all mostly folks who have already successfully compiled TCL/TK 8.x for OS X/Darwin, and also compiled Python 2.1 for Darwin, and have gotten TK to work for python. What seems impossible so far is to get perl on Darwin to run TK windows. I, for example, had no snags compiling TCL/TK or Python. I didn't get thread and sound support to run the music in Pysol, actually, but other than that python is as I am used to and TK applications like hanoi, pysol(itaire) and IDLE (the Integrated Development GUI) run just fine on OS X with either XTools or XFree86/XDarwin. What I want to see is perl do TK windowing on OS X. Also, has anyone tried doing CGI things like a graphic hit counter on OS X? Does the fact that it's outputting MIME stuff to a browser make it work better? DP David Pennell Programmer/Operator The Register-Guard