Fatal install error for dbus & policykit using debug only

2013-02-15 Thread Mark Duling
Hello all, I hope this message isn't a duplicate. I tried sending this to the list earlier but I never saw it show up so I'm sending again. I was installing a port with dependencies on dbus & policykit using the flags -vd. dbus was failing with: Error: org.macports.install for port dbus return

Re: [101675] trunk/dports/net/smokeping

2013-01-17 Thread Mark Duling
Hi Ryan, Thanks for the corrections. I think I got all the ones you suggested (r101733) except for finding a smaller piece of libwww-perl. I'm not sure on that what part it uses. The port isn't tested well but it seemed totally broken before so I hope I've improved things a little. I may get

Crazy trac port webpage idea

2013-01-11 Thread Mark Duling
Hello all, Here's a crazy idea that occurred to me. Would it be feasible or make sense to make the notes section of Portfiles directly accessible via a link on the trace webpage with an html tag? In other words, the link would take you to the top of the notes section such as http://trac.macports

Re: Help on startupitem.executable for Jetty server?

2009-09-25 Thread Mark Duling
Hello Guy, There may be a path problem. Always check the system.log for this type of thing. 'tail /var/log/system.log'. I pasted your startupitem information into the current jetty portfile and I saw this in the system.log after running launchctl: Unable to access jarfile /opt/local/share/java/

Re: php extension naming scheme

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Duling
>> How would php_yaz know whether to build for php4 or php5? Would >> there be variants? Or would there be two ports, php4_yaz and >> php5_yaz? I think the latter is how the Python extensions are being >> done but I don't exactly know why that's better than using variants. >> >> See also the

Finding a port's dependencies

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Duling
>I forget again: is there an easy way to tell if any >> ports depend on those? > >yes, there is: > >$grep :cairo-devel */*/Portfile I'll put this in the FAQ. Would it be useful to make the port command do this in a future revision? Mark ___ macports

WXwindows defunct?

2007-03-24 Thread Mark Duling
Has WXWidgets replaced WXWindows? WXWindows port is broken and no ports depend on it. Can it be deleted? Mark ___ macports-dev mailing list macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-dev

Re: cairo-devel is ancient/broken

2007-03-21 Thread Mark Duling
Ryan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 at 12:12 AM -0800 wrote: >I'd say nuke it, along with pango-devel and glib2-devel. Should I do >it? Sigh... I forget again: is there an easy way to tell if any ports >depend on those? > >Unless... I mean, we could certainly update th

cairo-devel is ancient/broken

2007-03-20 Thread Mark Duling
cairo-devel is ancient, broken, and looks unnceccesary now. The tarball is fetched from ~/pkern. Can it be deleted? Mark ___ macports-dev mailing list macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-dev

Re: malloc

2007-03-20 Thread Mark Duling
Vincent Lefevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 4:44 AM -0800 wrote: >> On Mar 19, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Yves de Champlain wrote: >> >However, configure will always fail looking for malloc.h, so >> >wouldn't it be a good idea to have macports install a dummy >> >malloc.h ? > >>

Re: [MacPorts] #10682: BUG: New Install Won't Work on MBP (Problem with Pextli

2007-03-13 Thread Mark Duling
When you say "installed Aqua/Tk", do you mean this? http://tcltkaqua.sourceforge.net/ If there are good reasons to do install this package (isn't it kinda old?), then we have a known issue that could be written up on the Wiki. Also, there is a problem with MacPorts Tk +aqua variant. http://trac

Re: A 1.4 release

2007-03-06 Thread Mark Duling
Juan Manuel Palacios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, March 6, 2007 at 4:31 PM -0800 wrote: >> Say, what do you think about this? >> http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/7534 >> >> I would say modifying the .dmg installer isn't worth it and installing >> MacPorts into other than /opt/

ReadMe.rtf ready for review.

2007-02-25 Thread Mark Duling
I have an updated ReadMe.rtf for the MacPorts' binary installer. The changes are roughly these: -Changed all occurrances of DarwinPorts to MacPorts -Removed links to OpenDarwin and Guide and replaced them with the MacPorts Wiki. -Added sections "Shell Environment Requirements" and "Install Locati

Re: A 1.4 release / Insall MacPorts of different drive

2007-02-20 Thread Mark Duling
"Daniel J. Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 at 1:03 PM -0800 wrote: >> I think this issue has been broached before, but as it is still >> ongoing, I'd like to raise it up again. I'd like to install >> MacPorts on a different drive other than my boot-up drive. The >> c

Re: A 1.4 release

2007-02-20 Thread Mark Duling
Juan Manuel Palacios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 at 1:25 PM -0800 wrote: >> I just think the whole portfile.7 TCL EXTENSIONS "file" section in >> general >> is not too helpful for MacPorts developers, but I don't think I have >> time >> to fundamentally change it right now.

Re: A 1.4 release

2007-02-20 Thread Mark Duling
Juan Manuel Palacios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 at 9:50 AM -0800 wrote: >> On 2007-02-13 13:25:23 -0400, Juan Manuel Palacios wrote: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/5275 >>> >>> As I said in my comment to this, I don't see much added value to a >>

Re: [22007] portutil.tcl mods / more portfile.7 changes needed?

2007-02-14 Thread Mark Duling
"Jordan K. Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 at 12:31 AM -0800 wrote: > >xinstall and file copy are different - xinstall is implemented in >pextlib, and apparently doesn't recursively copy directories. It's a >shame. > > >So yeah, while xinstall won't handle directories,

Re: [22007] portutil.tcl mods / more portfile.7 changes needed?

2007-02-13 Thread Mark Duling
Kevin Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 9:45 PM -0800 wrote: >Like I said, file copy (or just copy, after my commit) will in fact copy >directories. I'm sorry to be so dull. You seem to be saying this: copy ${sourcedir} ${destdir} is equivalent to this: system "cp -

Re: A 1.4 release

2007-02-13 Thread Mark Duling
Juan Manuel Palacios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 9:25 AM -0800 wrote: >> modify installer README - >> http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/11010 > > Could you please handle this one..? You should be able to commit to >base, or send me a patch if you'd

Re: [22007] portutil.tcl mods / more portfile.7 changes needed?

2007-02-13 Thread Mark Duling
Kevin Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 9:17 PM -0800 wrote: >Docs on this can be found with `man n glob`. You may simply want to put >in a reference to glob(n) there. > Ah I see. Yes. I still think some usage examples in TCL extensions would be beneficial. > >2) Is it

Re: [22007] portutil.tcl mods / more portfile.7 changes needed?

2007-02-13 Thread Mark Duling
macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 7:09 PM -0800 wrote: >Reimplement delete so it no longer uses system "/bin/rm -rf ..." >This also fixes the case of filenames with spaces in them being >incorrectly parsed - That was EXTREMELY dangerous >Add new touch command - usag

Re: possible to fetch sources from git repository?

2007-02-12 Thread Mark Duling
Olaf Foellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sunday, February 11, 2007 at 2:18 PM -0800 wrote: >on the GCompris mailing list Yeves Combe announced that he has not only >compiled GCompris on Mac OS X but also has used the gtk+ aqua port. It >shoud be possible to provide some portfiles to make these result

Re: Anyone watching the bugtracker ?

2007-02-10 Thread Mark Duling
Jann Röder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Saturday, February 10, 2007 at 9:48 AM -0800 wrote: >I'm wondering what the policy regarding updated ports / new ports and >other patches on the bugtracker is. It seems to me that if you don't >bother anyone with commit rights about commiting your update/new port

Re: A 1.4 release

2007-02-04 Thread Mark Duling
Juan Manuel Palacios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sunday, February 4, 2007 at 1:29 AM -0800 wrote: >Hey Mark! Nice to be back and see you're still with us! Likewise! > Thanks for this, I'll review it when I first get a chance and will >commit it to base. > >> >> There are some other manpage addi

Re: A 1.4 release

2007-01-30 Thread Mark Duling
Juan Manuel Palacios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 at 9:47 AM -0800 wrote: >4) Any other differences between trunk/base and /brances/release_1_3, >to be integrated into a future release_1_4 branch, including but not >limited to: > -) the unarchive --> archive rollback of

Re: [21585] trunk/base/src/darwinports1.0/darwinports_fastload.tcl.in

2007-01-29 Thread Mark Duling
macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org on Monday, January 29, 2007 at 2:39 PM -0800 wrote: >Revision >[ http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/changeset/21585 ]21585 >Author >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date >2007-01-29 14:39:37 -0800 (Mon, 29 Jan 2007) > >Log Message > >Iterate in darwinports_fastload usi

Re: perl or net category? - was variables and external cmds / ${perl5.lib}

2007-01-28 Thread Mark Duling
Randall Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sunday, January 28, 2007 at 5:25 PM -0800 wrote: >I personally feel that the language-specific groups (java, perl, >python, etc) only really make sense as the primary group for bindings >or extension to the language. If you have a network application/tool >

perl or net category? - was variables and external cmds / ${perl5.lib}

2007-01-28 Thread Mark Duling
"Mark Duling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sunday, January 28, 2007 at 2:03 PM -0800 wrote: >>> It seems that the freebsd ports sytem has access for perl variables >>> even >>> for non-perl ports. Would that be easy to hack onto MaPorts? It >>>

Re: variables and external commands in portfiles - was ${perl5.lib}

2007-01-28 Thread Mark Duling
"Daniel J. Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sunday, January 28, 2007 at 11:46 AM -0800 wrote: >> Is there a way to get the results of an external command into a >> variable >> in a portfile? > >Yep. > >Take a look at PYTHON_PATH in the subversion-pythonbindings port for >one way to do this sort of

variables and external commands in portfiles - was ${perl5.lib}

2007-01-27 Thread Mark Duling
>On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Mark Duling wrote: >>>> Can I use variable ${perl5.lib} in portfiles? I could just try it >>>> but I'm >>>> curious and I don't have time to test it right now. If so I can >>>> add it to >>&g

Re: ${perl5.lib}

2007-01-26 Thread Mark Duling
"Daniel J. Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Friday, January 26, 2007 at 6:48 AM -0800 wrote: >> Can I use variable ${perl5.lib} in portfiles? I could just try it >> but I'm >> curious and I don't have time to test it right now. If so I can >> add it to >> the port man page after x11prefix in the

${perl5.lib}

2007-01-26 Thread Mark Duling
Can I use variable ${perl5.lib} in portfiles? I could just try it but I'm curious and I don't have time to test it right now. If so I can add it to the port man page after x11prefix in the RUNTIME VARIABLES section. Mark ___ macports-dev mailing list

Re: Massive property update - PLEASE READ

2007-01-25 Thread Mark Duling
Kevin Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thursday, January 25, 2007 at 7:10 PM -0800 wrote: >If you create a new Portfile, you should set svn:eol-style to native on >it (`svn propset svn:eol-style native Portfile`). > > >If you add any patches to the repository, don't set any properties on >them. > > >

Re: Massive property update - PLEASE READ

2007-01-25 Thread Mark Duling
Kevin Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thursday, January 25, 2007 at 6:54 PM -0800 wrote: >In the future, please try and use the right properties. svn:eol-style >native belongs on files which are line-ending-agnostic, like text files, >shell scripts, tcl scripts, and other source files. Patchfiles mu

Re: [21414] trunk/dports/graphics/gd/Portfile

2007-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
Ryan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 at 11:55 PM -0800 wrote: >> I have now determined that there is exactly one port that depends >> on gd: cvsgraph. The port is at version 1.5.0. The changelog for >> version 1.5.2 includes "Fix configure script to detect gd-2 >> pro

Re: [21414] trunk/dports/graphics/gd/Portfile

2007-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
Ryan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 at 11:50 PM -0800 wrote: >Thanks for "port deps all"; didn't know that one. It took a long time >to run, but I have now determined that there is exactly one port that >depends on gd: cvsgraph. The port is at version 1.5.0. The change

Re: Is Apache 2.2.4 healthy?

2007-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
Ryan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 at 10:31 PM -0800 wrote: >> Ok, so I tried the apxs command on a Mac that has MacPorts Apache >> 2.2.3 >> and it works fine. >> >> $ /opt/local/apache2/bin/apxs -q CC >> gcc >> >> But on 2.2.4 this happens. >> >> $ /opt/local/apache2/b

Re: [21414] trunk/dports/graphics/gd/Portfile

2007-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
Ryan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 at 10:15 PM -0800 wrote: >> Port gd2 is at 2.0.33. If gd 1.x is no longer needed couldn't we just >> delete it and use the gd2 port? > >Aaaa! Yes, why was r21414 committed? I would have thought the point >of having a gd and a gd2 port

Is Apache 2.2.4 healthy?

2007-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
Ok, so I tried the apxs command on a Mac that has MacPorts Apache 2.2.3 and it works fine. $ /opt/local/apache2/bin/apxs -q CC gcc But on 2.2.4 this happens. $ /opt/local/apache2/bin/apxs -q CC apxs:Error: Sorry, no shared object support for Apache. apxs:Error: available under your platform. Mak

Re: [patch] Postfix port

2007-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
Sbranzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Friday, January 19, 2007 at 7:23 AM -0800 wrote: >Additionally the patch bumps version to 2.3.6, remove a broken download >link and uses sha1 instead of md5. > >After installation 2 files must be deleted, >/opt/local/var/spool/postfix/public/.turd_postfix and >/opt/l

Re: [21414] trunk/dports/graphics/gd/Portfile

2007-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
Port gd2 is at 2.0.33. If gd 1.x is no longer needed couldn't we just delete it and use the gd2 port? Mark macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 at 3:36 PM -0800 wrote: >Revision >[ http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/changeset/21414 ]21414 >Author >[EMAIL PROTE

Re: .. perl gurus answer this? - speedycgi

2007-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sunday, January 21, 2007 at 10:23 PM -0800 wrote: >Did you ever get CGI-SpeedyCGI to build on OSX? > > >I'm getting the same error you did... Ok, I got it with Jordan's help. Here's what it took changing src/speedy_perl.h -PerlInterpreter *my_perl; +extern PerlInterpreter

Re: Can't install libsdl-mixer_fr .. evil inflexible ticketing systems!

2007-01-22 Thread Mark Duling
Salvatore Domenick Desiano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Saturday, January 20, 2007 at 12:42 PM -0800 wrote: >SDL is a tricky library because it ties to many, many other libraries, >which makes it more likely to break under different system >configurations than other ports. This isn't an excuse, but an

Re: Can any perl gurus answer this? - SpeedyCGI

2007-01-22 Thread Mark Duling
No, I didn't ever find the answer and it bugs the heck out of me. Normally, I Google up information or FreeBSD, OpenBSD, or Portage patches or somebody's manual install notes to fix problems like that. Not for this one and the mailing list looks dead, -although I didn't try to emailing the author

Re: seeking example for port who moves only some files

2007-01-20 Thread Mark Duling
"Daniel J. Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Saturday, January 20, 2007 at 3:34 PM -0800 wrote: > >--no-same-owner isn't available everywhere (and macports base >actually checks to see if it's available when building from source). > >If a port really needs it when it is available, the portfile could

Re: seeking example for port who moves only some files

2007-01-20 Thread Mark Duling
Olaf Foellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Saturday, January 20, 2007 at 1:58 PM -0800 wrote: >I'm looking for an example of a port that only extracts and installs >some files. I want to add cleanscore which consists of a perl script and >some documentation but nothing to compile. > >Please tell me the

case sensitivity issue I didn't know about

2007-01-19 Thread Mark Duling
I was installing unixODBC and I noticed after an uninstall it was leaving files behind even though it was removing itself from the port registry. But I notice that it does remove all files if I uninstall using the case sensitive name. Is that a known issue? I knew about some case sensitivity iss

Re: problems building a local port

2007-01-19 Thread Mark Duling
Artemio Gonzalez Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Friday, January 19, 2007 at 12:42 PM -0800 wrote: >I am trying to build locally a port (readline 5.2) by adding > > >[ file:///Users/artemio/Archive/dports-dev >]file:///Users/artemio/Archive/dports-dev > > >to /opt/local/etc/ports/sources.conf, using a

Re: Ticket 11232 was (Re: gmtl port file)

2007-01-19 Thread Mark Duling
Doug McCorkle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thursday, January 18, 2007 at 3:39 PM -0800 wrote: >Can this ticket be reviewed? Thanks. > > >[ http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/11232 >]http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/11232 It's committed now. Thanks for contributing.

Updated portfile.7 man page - please review/commit

2007-01-16 Thread Mark Duling
Ok, so I've updated the portfile.7 manpage following James' instructions and attached it to this bug: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/4905 It adds: -startupitems.keywords -cvs.root key -svn fetch section and modifies: -changes occurrances of DarwinPorts to MacPorts -reworks

Developer requesting deletion of port

2007-01-14 Thread Mark Duling
A developer is requesting we delete a port of his. I know MarKus has not been active for awhile. http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/11072 The request seems reasonable. Any objections to deleting the port? Mark ___ macports-dev maili

Re: gmtl port file

2007-01-08 Thread Mark Duling
Doug McCorkle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 at 6:48 PM -0800 wrote: > I have a port file for gmtl that I would like considered for >addition to macports. Please let me know if the file needs to be >updated in some manner to be included. Thanks for the consideration. Do

Re: [MacPorts] #10778: UPDATE: pmk-0.9.2 to latest

2007-01-01 Thread Mark Duling
Has it been tested on Intel? I corresponded with the developer and last I knew he has yet to figure out how to make it work on Intel Macs. Here's the sourceforge bug report. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1569713&group_id=94395&atid=607694 I'm on vacation and have limi

Re: svn and getting the source

2006-12-25 Thread Mark Duling
Michael, Some time ago I had modified the docs to make them a little more accessible, and the link is now "GetMacPortsSource" on the front page of the Wiki. http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/wiki/GetMacPortsSource I didn't see the link page http://www.macports.org/?page_id=4 that my m

Re: py-sqlite & py-sqlite2 - determining dependents

2006-12-13 Thread Mark Duling
"Daniel J. Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 at 6:20 AM -0800 wrote: >> How do I determine the ports that depend on each? > >grep? :) I've grepped, but it seems ugly and difficult to interpret. I thought I've seen people do some svn magic for when they want to change depen

py-sqlite & py-sqlite2 - determining dependents

2006-12-12 Thread Mark Duling
py-sqlite is at 2.3.1 py-sqlite2 is at 2.3.2 How do I determine the ports that depend on each? 'port dependents foo' seems not to display anything for either of them. Mark ___ macports-dev mailing list macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org http://lists.m

PHP5 installs fails with curl 7.16.0

2006-12-12 Thread Mark Duling
PHP5 installed fine with curl 7.15.5, now it fails with curl 7.16.0. See below. Any ideas on what to do about this? Is there a problem with curl 7.16.0? Mark /bin/sh /opt/local/var/db/dports/build/_opt_local_var_db_dports_sources_rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports_www_php5/work/php-5.

Adding modules to php

2006-12-09 Thread Mark Duling
I have hacked my local php5 portfile for an rrdtool variant to add rrdtool bindings to php's modules in its ./ext directiry. But looking at the FreeBSD ports, I see that they use a separate port that uses the "USE_PHP" keyword. The docs for that option seem to imply that new PHP modules can be in

Re: No download link?

2006-12-06 Thread Mark Duling
Ryan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wednesday, December 6, 2006 at 1:15 PM -0800 wrote: >No, you do not to build from source, nor would I recommend doing so. >I suggest you download and install the disk image for 1.3.1, then >"sudo port selfupdate" to get you up to 1.3.2. Yes. The Wiki has th

php5 and php.ini

2006-12-06 Thread Mark Duling
The php5 port installs php.ini-dist and php.ini-recommended and I see the binary is set to look for php.ini in /opt/local/etc, but strangely I never set this and php5 works fine for me. How does it find the wonky mysqld.sock location? And should I be using one of the provided php.ini's? Mark

Re: Approving new macports committers

2006-12-04 Thread Mark Duling
Ian, I believe I had to create a wordpress account for myself after the trac/wordpress merge. You might try creating a wp account with the same name/pass and see if that fixes it. To create a ticket, you need to get to here and click on "View Tickets", then you'll see a "Create Ticket" link. ht

Imagemagick - change x11 variant to nox11?

2006-11-27 Thread Mark Duling
Wouldn't it make more sense for IamgeMagick to have X11 support by default and provide a nox11 for turning it off as suggested in this ticket? http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/10624 Mark ___ macports-dev mailing list macports-dev@lis

Re: Ticket #8230: MPlayer 1.0rc1

2006-11-03 Thread Mark Duling
"Daniel J. Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Friday, November 3, 2006 at 3:37 PM -0800 wrote: >> Looks like this got lost in the shuffle the first time around. >> >> I cannot contact the maintainer since MPlayer is not maintained >> right now. So...would someone please look at the patch in ticket >

Can any perl gurus answer this?

2006-11-03 Thread Mark Duling
I want to port the perl module CGI-SpeedyCGI for a dependency of another port I want to make. The developer doesn't seem to be available, the other package managers patches don't help, and I can't Google up anything valuable. It configures fine but it fails during build. Anyone have a clue as to

Re: Trac rights

2006-11-01 Thread Mark Duling
Blair Zajac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Friday, October 27, 2006 at 11:10 AM -0800 wrote: >I don't have rights to change ticket tickets, close tickets, etc, which I >would >like to do given some of my recent commits have fixed these things. > >How do I get those rights? Who handles them? Who do we ne

Re: (no subject)

2006-10-30 Thread Mark Duling
Gregory Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Monday, October 30, 2006 at 7:54 AM -0800 wrote: >A few of these users say they have applied all available software >updates. Are new version of Xcode still being provided through >Apple's Software Update, or do I need to direct them to the developer >site to