Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Bill Cole
On 20 Feb 2019, at 18:56, James Linder wrote: On 20 Feb 2019, at 8:00 pm, macports-users-requ...@lists.macports.org wrote: So my philosophical question is “Why MacPorts these days?” Because running the tools it provides in a VM is a grotesque waste of RAM and disk space and puts a wall up b

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread James Linder
> On 20 Feb 2019, at 8:00 pm, macports-users-requ...@lists.macports.org wrote: > >> So my philosophical question is “Why MacPorts these days?” > > Because running the tools it provides in a VM is a grotesque waste of > RAM and disk space and puts a wall up between tools I want to use > occas

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread James Linder
> On 20 Feb 2019, at 8:00 pm, macports-users-requ...@lists.macports.org wrote: > >>> >>> So my philosophical question is “Why MacPorts these days?”. >> >> Same reason as always: to help you install software on your Mac. If >> you prefer installing software in a VM running a different OS, by

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Bill Cole
On 20 Feb 2019, at 16:23, Alejandro Imass wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:48 AM Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 16:33, Bill Cole wrote: The departure of MacPorts from Mac OS Forge as it was being wound down was announced in https://lists.macports.org/pipermail/macports-dev

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:48 AM Mojca Miklavec wrote: > On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 16:33, Bill Cole wrote: > > > > The departure of MacPorts from Mac OS Forge as it was > > being wound down was announced in > > > https://lists.macports.org/pipermail/macports-dev/2016-August/033405.html > > While I w

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, Mojca Miklavec wrote: I would have left macOS if I didn't have a package manager available, the computer would be next-to-useless. I'm probably not the only one here who remembers the days when you got your software from comp.sources and figured out how to make it go :-)

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread William Santos via macports-users
I agree, the project is strong. Apple providing a server was nice, but certainly not a necessity. GitHub is great! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 20, 2019, at 7:47 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 16:33, Bill Cole wrote: >> >> The departure of MacPorts from Mac OS Forge as

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 16:33, Bill Cole wrote: > > The departure of MacPorts from Mac OS Forge as it was > being wound down was announced in > https://lists.macports.org/pipermail/macports-dev/2016-August/033405.html While I wouldn't mind if Apple continued to provide hardware building capacity, t

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Bill Cole
On 20 Feb 2019, at 10:10, Alejandro Imass wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:13 AM S. L. Garwood via macports-users < macports-users@lists.macports.org> wrote: First let me say I have used MacPorts since 10.6.8. [...] I appreciate all the work the developers have put into MacPorts but to me

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:13 AM S. L. Garwood via macports-users < macports-users@lists.macports.org> wrote: > First let me say I have used MacPorts since 10.6.8. > > [...] > I appreciate all the work the developers have put into MacPorts but to me > the handwriting on the wall was when Apple pul

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Christoph Kukulies
> Am 20.02.2019 um 14:50 schrieb S. L. Garwood via macports-users > : > > A big thank you to all the people who chimed in and gave me much to think > over. > I have used MacPorts since 10.6.8 - it is based on one of my favorite package > managers (FreeBSD ports) > I’ve been a long time FreeB

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Richard DeLaurell
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > I would have left macOS if I didn't have a package manager available, > the computer would be next-to-useless. Speaking as an ordinary end-user I agree with that; if not for macports I’d be even more tempted to switch to FreeBSD myself.

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread James Linder
> On 20 Feb 2019, at 8:00 pm, macports-users-requ...@lists.macports.org wrote: > > First let me say I have used MacPorts since 10.6.8. > > Recently, given the overall Apple direction for MacOS I stopped and asked > myself “Why am I doing this?”. > I started using Mint Linux on VirtualBox and

Re: whew

2019-02-20 Thread James Linder
> On 20 Feb 2019, at 8:00 pm, macports-users-requ...@lists.macports.org wrote: > > > OK > Your inbox has 14500 mail. > mail->backup size exceeded (after 20%) > > So I was trying to save all your mail using thunderbird > > The flash in the corner was “m...@tigger.ws: junk mail” not as in mail

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread S. L. Garwood via macports-users
A big thank you to all the people who chimed in and gave me much to think over. I have used MacPorts since 10.6.8 - it is based on one of my favorite package managers (FreeBSD ports) I’ve been a long time FreeBSD user, fan, and booster (since 386-bsd believe it or not). I think for now I’ll keep

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 14:13, S. L. Garwood via macports-users wrote: > > So my philosophical question is “Why MacPorts these days?”. If your question is: "Why a package manager for Mac these days", just a few numbers. We don't have any good analytics data, but our competitor saw more than 6 mill

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Ruben Di Battista
To complement people answer, and most of all, "Why macOS"? Well, because there is not another Unix laptop that is as efficiently implemented. For example, take a Windows laptop, put Linux on it, and see your battery life drop at least of 15-20%. Well, i hate it. On my macOS I have very good battery

Re: CGContextCopyPath function missing in Leopard

2019-02-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola via macports-users
Hi Ryan, Ryan Schmidt wrote: I agree, I don't see CGContextCopyPath described in the 10.5 SDK headers. I've encountered this in other situations. Apple documentation's notion of when a symbol became available seems to refer to the libraries, not necessarily the headers. Sometimes they introdu

Re: A general philosophical question about MacPorts

2019-02-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola via macports-users
Hi, Bill Cole wrote: Because running the tools it provides in a VM is a grotesque waste of RAM and disk space and puts a wall up between tools I want to use occasionally and the UI where I prefer to work mostly. I second that, for me a VM is a waste and only the "last possible mean". Except